Can we please stop saying the vaccine does not reduce transmission?

[Frequentflier]

It does. Plenty of evidence now out which everyone can find for themselves. edition.cnn.com/2021/03/29/health/pfizer-and-moderna-covid-19-vaccines-work-wellness/index.html

It is up to you to not take the vaccine if you don't want to. But please stop dressing it up as an unselfish choice if you have no conditions that stop you from taking it.

@Belladonna12

I do t think it’s buzzard I think it’s the clever thing to do. This virus is killing no more than flu would have and that seems to have disappeared this year

Death rates are no different to normal based on previous years.

@Bluntness100

Those that are vaccinated will be safe from my choice, right?

Only if you continue with current lockdown guidance. Stay six feet away, don’t socialise in your home, wear ppe at all times etc. The vaccine does not guarantee immunity.

So vaccinated people are still a potential risk to others too.

@Belladonna12 Those groups are certainly at higher risk than others but still, the majority of infections in those groups are mild.

These threads always end up in arguing that governments across the world want to control or kill off entire populations through vaccination.

[quote CautiousBlonde]@Belladonna12

I do t think it’s buzzard I think it’s the clever thing to do. This virus is killing no more than flu would have and that seems to have disappeared this year

Death rates are no different to normal based on previous years.[/quote]
The virus is killing a lot more than flu has done for about a hundred years and that is with lockdown. It's also much more infectious as demonstrated by the fact that there were few flu cases last year due to restrictions but Covid cases increased.

The vaccine isn't 100% effective so no, not everyone will be "safe" from your choice

If it’s not effective then what’s your reason for taking it? Also, if it’s not effective it’s even less of an argument to compel others to do the same.

[quote bumbleymummy]@Belladonna12 Those groups are certainly at higher risk than others but still, the majority of infections in those groups are mild.[/quote]
The "vast majority" of infections in people over 50 are not mild at all.

@reformedcharacters

The vaccine isn't 100% effective so no, not everyone will be "safe" from your choice

If it’s not effective then what’s your reason for taking it? Also, if it’s not effective it’s even less of an argument to compel others to do the same.

I said that it wasn't 100% effective not that it wasn't effective at all i.e. most people will be immune afterwards but not everyone.

Funny how everyone pro covid jabs quotes newspaper articles.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions
You can find the official government info regarding the safety of the vaccines there

@CautiousBlonde

There’s lots of people on this thread saying that they have had the vaccine as it’s the right thing to do blah blah but I ask you all to really think about WHY you REALLY had the vaccine. I would put money on the real reason you had it (or are going to have it) is because you are scared.

And that, is what the government wants. It’s a way to control us. There are effective treatments for Covid and they have known about it for a long time (right since the very beginning). The chances are, if the vaccine doesn’t kill you, when you get the disease it may, because the vaccines are about weakening our immune systems, not strengthening them. So many medics, professors etc are speaking out about this (but guess what? It’s being censored)

What effective treatments are these?

Why was trashing the health care system, the economy, children’s education, not to mention killing lots of people better than using the effective treatments that apparently exist?

The thing is @Frequentflier, you're not appointed - or at liberty - to demand a reason or a behaviour that's at odds with personal freedom and choice. Particularly when it comes to medical procedures.

I could be anything from a batshit conspiracy theorist who'll latch on to any bit of rubbish or misinformation, to a perfectly intelligent, sensible, not-at-high-risk and happy-to-follow-all-the-covid-risk-mitigation rules, and my decision to take a vaccination or not is simply none of your fucking business. And much like a virus, it's out of your control (as it should be).

I am SO sick of hysterical, sanctimonious people like you. We're all reading and understanding the same science; just because it doesn't change our minds about being vaccinated doesn't mean we're in denial or "selfish". What you're promoting is so much worse.

Take the vaccine you've been fortunate enough to receive, attempt to regain some
perspective, and get on with your life.

Belladonna12

You obviously don’t view it as effective enough to protect you, or you wouldn’t be afraid of people who didn’t take it, you said so in a previous post. On this basis it seems illogical to receive a treatment for which there’s no benefit.

@reformedcharacters

The vaccine isn't 100% effective so no, not everyone will be "safe" from your choice

If it’s not effective then what’s your reason for taking it? Also, if it’s not effective it’s even less of an argument to compel others to do the same.

As has been repeated several times, it is not 100% effective because no vaccine is. Just like no seatbelt is.

@CautiousBlonde

There’s lots of people on this thread saying that they have had the vaccine as it’s the right thing to do blah blah but I ask you all to really think about WHY you REALLY had the vaccine. I would put money on the real reason you had it (or are going to have it) is because you are scared.

And that, is what the government wants. It’s a way to control us. There are effective treatments for Covid and they have known about it for a long time (right since the very beginning). The chances are, if the vaccine doesn’t kill you, when you get the disease it may, because the vaccines are about weakening our immune systems, not strengthening them. So many medics, professors etc are speaking out about this (but guess what? It’s being censored)

Of dear. I really hope that you don't have an underlying condition that puts you at higher risk because you are seriously deluded.

@EllenRipley

The thing is *@Frequentflier*, you're not appointed - or at liberty - to demand a reason or a behaviour that's at odds with personal freedom and choice. Particularly when it comes to medical procedures.

I could be anything from a batshit conspiracy theorist who'll latch on to any bit of rubbish or misinformation, to a perfectly intelligent, sensible, not-at-high-risk and happy-to-follow-all-the-covid-risk-mitigation rules, and my decision to take a vaccination or not is simply none of your fucking business. And much like a virus, it's out of your control (as it should be).

I am SO sick of hysterical, sanctimonious people like you. We're all reading and understanding the same science; just because it doesn't change our minds about being vaccinated doesn't mean we're in denial or "selfish". What you're promoting is so much worse.

Take the vaccine you've been fortunate enough to receive, attempt to regain some
perspective, and get on with your life.

Oh well. What am I promoting exactly? Have a read of the thread title. Still stand by it. Clearly we disagree on what constitutes hysterical behaviour.

Unless my acquaintances and friends are very unusual it's certainly not true that the "vast majority" of people are not at risk.

I think your friends are very unusual.

In comparison I know one person who died from "covid"... but they were already well past the date they had been given to live after alcohol abuse and liver failure. They didn't test positive. The doctor put covid as they thought it might help with insurance.

Nobody else I know has been admitted to hospital or suffered anything more than mild illness, inc me.

But what is the point in only talking about the people we know, right?

They do have risk calculators. A 55yo woman with asthma and coronary heart disease has a 0.0058% risk of death and a 0.062 chance of hospital admission. Reduce that by 80% if they are vaccinated (which they should be).

The vast majority of people are low risk.

Compare that to cancer where 1 in 2 people in the UK will be diagnosed in their lifetime. That is the vast majority of people being high risk, and one could argue it does very little to change the vast majority of people's behaviour when 6 in 10 people are overweight, and being overweight is the second biggest risk factor after smoking.

But yes let's ban people with 0.0004% of something from public life to protect people from a 0.0004 chance of dying of covid. Because statistically speaking that makes perfect sense. Covid might feel more real or more immediate but why is that an excuse to defy all logic?

@reformedcharacters

Belladonna12

You obviously don’t view it as effective enough to protect you, or you wouldn’t be afraid of people who didn’t take it, you said so in a previous post. On this basis it seems illogical to receive a treatment for which there’s no benefit.

I am immunosuppressed so not that effective on me. It will be much more effective on the majority of other people. I am not "afraid" of people who are vaccinated but it is sensible to avoid them as much as possible, and that is what I will be doing.

@Belladonna12 I think you’re basing your opinion on the experience of those in your circle of friends. Can you point to studies/data that shows that it’s severe in the majority of over 50s?

@Belladonna12 you may avoid everyone then. There’s no guarantee that the vaccinated person is immune whereas an unvaccinated person may be immune after infection. Seems silly to take your risk with one ad not the other. Not to mention the millions of unvaccinated children and pregnant women.

Belladonna12

So do you agree that people should be punished for making a choice regarding their own bodies by way of restrictions on their freedoms to protect you?

[quote bumbleymummy]@Belladonna12 I think you’re basing your opinion on the experience of those in your circle of friends. Can you point to studies/data that shows that it’s severe in the majority of over 50s?[/quote]
I didn't say it was "severe" in the majority of people over 50. I said that it is not true that it is a mild illness in the vast majority of people over 50.

In comparison I know one person who died from "covid"... but they were already well past the date they had been given to live after alcohol abuse and liver failure. They didn't test positive. The doctor put covid as they thought it might help with insurance.

Nobody else I know has been admitted to hospital or suffered anything more than mild illness, inc me.

Your anecdotal evidence means nothing, other than you are fortunate in your circle of friends and family. I am not prepared to enter into a willy waving contest with you but you should bear in mind that there have been more than 4.3 million confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK and over 126,000 people have died.

Your anecdotal evidence means nothing, other than you are fortunate in your circle of friends and family.

That is exactly the reason why I said it, to show the pointlessness of pps "I know loads of over 50s hospitalised so the vast majority of over 50s are at high risk" !!! I thought that was pretty obvious considering my very next line was but what is the point in talking about the people we know?

Fucking eyeroll.

@belladonna12 the vaccine contains Polysorbate 80, which can cause blood clots.