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Canada pauses AZ vaccines for under 55s (and says women most at risk)

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Boringlynormal · 30/03/2021 10:18

Please tell me this isn’t something to worry about: www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/canada-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-for-those-under-55

Speaking as a woman in her 30s who was immunised 4 days ago (article tells us the risk is for young women 4 - 20 days after vaccination), I’m panicking now. Yes I know it’s rare but so is dying of Covid in my age group so I’m wondering if I’ve made a huge mistake.

By the way I’m very pro vaccine and leapt on the chance to get one. I’m just feeling so anxious now.

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hellsbells99 · 05/04/2021 21:16

Is there anyway of helping to manage the risk? E.g. would taking something like aspirin for a week help?

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Boringlynormal · 05/04/2021 21:18

Did anyone develop this reaction after second vaccine having been fine with first though? I would assume that if you didn't get it after the first (which is when the current cases did) then your immune system is fine with it and you are not one of those susceptible?

I doubt many young people have had both vaccines yet. Who knows? I certainly won’t be one of the first.

I’m just praying there’s nothing else they didn’t know about this vaccine. It’s so scary.

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dividedwefall · 05/04/2021 21:19

@Tealightsandd pretty rude again. You were wrong yesterday and, shock horror, you are wrong again today.

It was Channel 4 news for those interested on where it came from.

nordica · 05/04/2021 21:20

This is the quote from the news story about the MHRA reviewing it: "Two senior sources told Channel 4 News that while the data is still unclear there are growing arguments to justify offering younger people - below the age of 30 at the very least - a different vaccine.

Both sources however emphasised their support for the Oxford jab and their concerns that any restriction of its rollout could damage public confidence in it."

Whichjab · 05/04/2021 21:25

And to add to all this there are no scientific reports since Feb (please correct me if I'm wrong but o haven't found anythjny) saying the AZ actually works and it almost certainly doesn't work against the SA variant.

dividedwefall · 05/04/2021 21:25

Hang on a minute. Has the AZ trial in children already started? Is that what has made them nervous? Because there must be hardly anyone under 30 received via the roll out surely?

EasterIssland · 05/04/2021 21:27

@dividedwefall

Hang on a minute. Has the AZ trial in children already started? Is that what has made them nervous? Because there must be hardly anyone under 30 received via the roll out surely?
Apart from those clinically vulnerable , or health care workers , or spare doses , or some surgeries going quicker in some areas calling people of that age.
CovoidOfAllHumanity · 05/04/2021 21:27

It's going to be a risk vs benefit thing

It does NOT necessarily mean that VIPIT cases are higher in those under 30. What we do already know for a fact is that COVID deaths are lower in people under 30 (I thought 40 but I'm sure the MHRA know better than me).

From your 40s deaths from Covid are a small but significant number and far outweigh deaths from this VIPIT thing even on a worst case scenario.

That means it is in the personal best interests of someone aged 40 or over to have the COVID vaccine because the risks of dying from Covid are substantially higher than the risk of dying from VIPIT

If you are under 30 it might only be in the community's best interests to have a vaccine if you are under 30 and not so much your personal interests. If the risk of dying of COVID is less than the risk of VIPIT then obviously you should not have the vaccine and IF rumours are true then that is the point at which they are putting the risk cut off after careful consideration.

MadisonAvenue · 05/04/2021 21:29

@dividedwefall

Hang on a minute. Has the AZ trial in children already started? Is that what has made them nervous? Because there must be hardly anyone under 30 received via the roll out surely?
My son’s 20 and CEV, he’s had his first vaccination so it’s concerning that this may prevent him from having his second which is due before the end of the month. A few of his friends have also had it for various reasons.
dividedwefall · 05/04/2021 21:29

@EasterIssland do you know how many people in the younger cohort have received it so far? I don't know. I suppose a lot of healthcare and care home workers will be in their twenties so yes, maybe more than thought.

dividedwefall · 05/04/2021 21:30

@MadisonAvenue maybe those who have had the first and have been okay might be able to complete the course. They have no idea yet about mixing vaccines so unfair to leave people like your son partially done.

Lactuwoes · 05/04/2021 21:33

@anyoldtime

Is it ethical to offer a vaccine not deemed good enough for Americans to Brazilians?
They do that all the time, the developing world get the live polio while we get the dead, even though it is known that the live can cause out breaks due to the lack of proper sanitation in those nations.
HarveySchlumpfenburger · 05/04/2021 21:37

Difficult to know without them releasing the stats. Hopefully the MHRA will do that tomorrow. But a lot of the HCPs willl have received Pfizer. Not all, but they were part of the first group to be vaccinated and the Pfizer was approved first. We’ve only ever had Pfizer, so all our staff and local HCPs who were vaccinated through us will have had that unless they have very severe allergies.

EasterIssland · 05/04/2021 21:39

[quote dividedwefall]@EasterIssland do you know how many people in the younger cohort have received it so far? I don't know. I suppose a lot of healthcare and care home workers will be in their twenties so yes, maybe more than thought.[/quote]
Numbers say 6m but that’s for both vaccines.

dividedwefall · 05/04/2021 21:39

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay yes I know a few doctors and pharmacists and those that had it back in January had the Pfizer. The first AZ use I know of was early February and that was in over 70 year olds.

mumsneedwine · 05/04/2021 21:40

Lots of medical students, student nurses, physios, radiographers, pharmacists etc have had AZ. Tens of thousands of them now in daily contact with patients. They need to be protected as a priority.

Mumtwoboys90 · 05/04/2021 21:41

@Whichjab where are you getting the info from that says AZ jab doesn't offer protection from SA varient

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 05/04/2021 21:45

I'm sure that if they do offer guidance then they will say whether it's less risky to have the 2nd vaccine given you have not reacted to the first

The risk of mixing vaccines is an unassesed risk so not sure I think that is a great option

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines loads of people have taken in the US and nothing reported but not sure why people think waiting for JandJ or Valneva would be better than AZ because again that has a level of unasessed risk. Those are safe in trials but have not had a mass roll out therefore a rare side effect can easily pop up.
J&J is an adenovirus vector ie the same technology as AZ

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 05/04/2021 21:46

I think there are two papers on that mumtwoboys. I’ll see if I can find them.

nonono1 · 05/04/2021 21:50

Is there a certain time frame after having the vaccine where you can develop a blood clot... and after that time frame has passed you know that you’re out of the danger zone so to speak?

I’m pro vax normally but am becoming increasingly concerned about letting my DC have this jab, particularly since the risk of children dying of Covid is practically zero.

LeeMiller · 05/04/2021 21:52

RafaIsTheKingOfClay

Is there any reason why the MHRA’s decision should be different from the EMA one?

Regulators in EU countries have all come to different decisions on this, it's public health decision so depends on supplies, status of the vaccination programme, need to maintain public confidence etc., not just safety. The EMA is meeting tomorrow to discuss the issue and is due to report its findings by the end of the week so its recommendations could well change shortly.

EasterIssland · 05/04/2021 21:53

@nonono1

Is there a certain time frame after having the vaccine where you can develop a blood clot... and after that time frame has passed you know that you’re out of the danger zone so to speak?

I’m pro vax normally but am becoming increasingly concerned about letting my DC have this jab, particularly since the risk of children dying of Covid is practically zero.

Unless your child has got an illness then I’d not worry atm. 1 az is not approved for below 18s , pfizer is 2 there are tests being done for below 18s (kids mainly 6-18) but no vaccine expected until 2022. By then we should have more information
CovoidOfAllHumanity · 05/04/2021 21:53

That's asked a lot and I think the answer is 20 days

Mumtwoboys90 · 05/04/2021 21:56

@CovoidOfAllHumanity do you think that is just because thats just longest after the vaccine that its happened so far

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