Why the hand wringing about sections of the population not taking up their jab.....

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I keep hearing people banging on about it.

They’ve been offered it
They refused

The outcome of any is surely their choice. Either by restricting what they can do due to passport or if they suffer badly from covid.

@Heathermary1995 my post was to show the scale of underlying health conditions in the country.
I am still searching for data which specifically mentions exactly what the underlying conditions were of those who died. I find this but I am sure PHE has some data too.
www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/covid-19-starts-train-death-90-patients-who-die-it-3077944

[quote Northernsoulgirl45]@Heathermary1995 my post was to show the scale of underlying health conditions in the country.
I am still searching for data which specifically mentions exactly what the underlying conditions were of those who died. I find this but I am sure PHE has some data too.
www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/covid-19-starts-train-death-90-patients-who-die-it-3077944[/quote]
That link relates to northern Ireland which not only records deaths differently but applies to less than 1300 deaths compared to apparently over 100,000 in Britain

In any event, can anyone give a decent reason why a young person should have to take 3 vaccines ( 1st, 2nd and autumn booster) potentially suffering side effects for a disease that poses no real threat to that age demographic to protect a small number of already vaccinated people from covid that has an average age of death above current life expectancy?

@Heathermary1995

I'm waiting for the link *@amusedtodeath1* will hopefully put up showing her phone, computer and house are on the market to make good on her promises. If I like the decor on the house, I may put a cheeky bid in but I suspect it may be a bit grotty to expect a discount for my renovation costs

Now you're just being silly. If you want to debate the Issue, then fine. However if you're going to keep blabbing on about my giving everything I own to charity then I'm not engaging. I CHOOSE not to share my personal circumstances with you.

The only reason you are focusing on this line on response is because every single one of your arguments have been proven wrong or at least had doubt cast upon so you focus on the personal.

So tell me, why are only 400 people's deaths relevant to you out of the hundreds of thousands? I hope you don't become long term sick because I'd like to think I'm a decent human being, but it might just teach you a thing or two.

OK I remembered a Twitter feed about the types of pre existing conditions reported with COVID deaths. An astonishing 72% are classed as other. It would be really interesting to find out what these other conditions are?
t.co/qE1ehYjCQ8?amp=1

@Heathermary1995 yes I know it is NI. It was not the exact data I was looking for but the above makes interesting reading.

I know many people who have had the vaccine, not one has reported anything more than feeling a bit rough for a day or two or having a sore arm. If that's too much to sacrifice for the vulnerable in our society that's up to you, but personally I don't think it's a lot to ask. But under 50s aren't being offered the vaccine right now so it's all a bit of a fuss about nothing. Have it or don't have it, it's up to you. But it's up to me to decide how I people who refuse because "this doesn't affect me". Simply because you get no personal gain from having the vaccine is not a good enough excuse IMO.

"how I feel about people"

"Every single one of your arguments have been proven wrong"

Name one that has, I'll wait

"why are only 400 people's deaths relevant to you out of the hundreds of thousands?"

because hundreds of thousands in the Uk havent died of covid so you may as well be asking me to debate how many hats the pixie at the end of your garden has.. come back with actual facts instead of nonsense.

Here are 2 questions for you

1. Why are you so determined to exaggerate the death rate of the virus both in terms of age demographics and actual mortality figures?
2. Why haven't you started your process of selling your house and going bankrupt as you promised masquerading as mother teresa boasting about your virtuous nature?

[quote Northernsoulgirl45]OK I remembered a Twitter feed about the types of pre existing conditions reported with COVID deaths. An astonishing 72% are classed as other. It would be really interesting to find out what these other conditions are?
t.co/qE1ehYjCQ8?amp=1[/quote]
I don't know about twitter links, but I do agree the government should be more transparent about exactly what constitutes underlying conditions.

That said, I posted a link earlier showing during the entire " 2nd wave " 17 people under 40 of all health conditions died so the virus clearly poses next to no risk of death for younger people despite claims to the contrary

@amusedtodeath1

I know many people who have had the vaccine, not one has reported anything more than feeling a bit rough for a day or two or having a sore arm. If that's too much to sacrifice for the vulnerable in our society that's up to you, but personally I don't think it's a lot to ask. But under 50s aren't being offered the vaccine right now so it's all a bit of a fuss about nothing. Have it or don't have it, it's up to you. But it's up to me to decide how I people who refuse because "this doesn't affect me". Simply because you get no personal gain from having the vaccine is not a good enough excuse IMO.

so to summarise " you know many people that have had nothing more than a sore arm" yet we should ignore what amounts to hundreds of posters on here who say otherwise? Nothing like a bit of blinkered tunnel vision there.

You say " under 50s arent being offered the vaccine right now".. you clearly know as little about that statement as you know about death rates, age demographic risks and ONS data. It would help if you researched a little more in order to stop embarrassing yourself any further

I can't have a discussion with someone who can't accept facts. As I said previously there is evidence to prove how many people have died of Covid in this country, is it 100% accurate, of course not but if you compare govt figures with the number of excess deaths it's very close. These are the facts. It's not subject to opinion. I am going to bow out of this as gracefully as I can by saying I disagree with you about virtually everything, most of your "facts" are cherry picked data, served up with a lot of imagination. Sadly you can't see that and I'm not wasting any more time talking to the Wall. Peace!

I know under 50s aren't being offered it because I'm in that group. Because it's clear from Govt sources that under 50s are not getting it yet. Another "fact" that is just made up by you.

Do you really think if you shout loud enough people will just buy anything you say?

I leave you to your shouting. I have better things to do.

@amusedtodeath1

I can't have a discussion with someone who can't accept facts. As I said previously there is evidence to prove how many people have died of Covid in this country, is it 100% accurate, of course not but if you compare govt figures with the number of excess deaths it's very close. These are the facts. It's not subject to opinion. I am going to bow out of this as gracefully as I can by saying I disagree with you about virtually everything, most of your "facts" are cherry picked data, served up with a lot of imagination. Sadly you can't see that and I'm not wasting any more time talking to the Wall. Peace!

so the facts according to you are

1. hundreds of thousands have died of covd in the Uk
2. no one under 40 has been offered the vaccine

Hilarious stuff, all the best with your erm "facts!"

t.co/vwXso16L3X?amp=1

The twitter links are backed up by data such as this.
The above makes interesting reading .

@amusedtodeath1

I know under 50s aren't being offered it because I'm in that group. Because it's clear from Govt sources that under 50s are not getting it yet. Another "fact" that is just made up by you.

Do you really think if you shout loud enough people will just buy anything you say?

I leave you to your shouting. I have better things to do.

Like I said, you are utterly blinkered.. the " fact " you believe to be true that no under 50s are being offered the jab because your own experience tells you that illustrates my point with your inability to digest information outside your tiny bubble of reality. You're the type of person to not believe anything unless your neighbour at number 23 and best friend down the road hasnt experienced it... kind of pathetic really but hey ho if its your reality it must be fact!

@Northernsoulgirl45

t.co/vwXso16L3X?amp=1

The twitter links are backed up by data such as this.
The above makes interesting reading .

The file won't open, can you summarise the interesting part

It opened for me.
Trying to attach visuals

Sorry not clear at all but pre existing conditions include pneumonia which of course could be related to COVID and a broken femur.

It wont open, maybe its some software I need updated but rather than just post the link surely you can put out the relevant bullet points?

@Northernsoulgirl45

Sorry not clear at all but pre existing conditions include pneumonia which of course could be related to COVID and a broken femur.

In fairness even when you take the pre existing conditions out of it, the number of people dying in certain age demographics " of covid " is tiny so we are splitting hairs

Just curious , why do people think the number of people getting covid has dropped so much ? Is it because of the lockdown measures or the vaccine roll out or both ?

[quote Northernsoulgirl45]@Heathermary1995 yes I know it is NI. It was not the exact data I was looking for but the above makes interesting reading.[/quote]
NI don't count. They're almost as worthless as fatties 😉

@amusedtodeath1

Happy reading, enjoy your evening of facts of no under40s being offered the jab t'ra

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4206206-Are-you-under-40-and-had-the-AZ-vaccine

@Heathermary1995 been trying to post visuals without success..