Why the hand wringing about sections of the population not taking up their jab.....

[TransplantedScouser]

I keep hearing people banging on about it.

They’ve been offered it
They refused

The outcome of any is surely their choice. Either by restricting what they can do due to passport or if they suffer badly from covid.

Heath, you don't get to preach to me about charity. You don't know me and you have no clue how much I donate to good causes.

Now back to the actual discussion. Your age group, your risk, your life, Vs hundreds of thousands of dead people out of which you only care about 400?

For those thinking anxiety and depression qualifies as " underlying conditions for covid like dumpling

What is an underlying health condition?
An underlying health condition is a chronic or long-term illness, which in turn weakens the immune system.

"This refers to a medical problem that is usually chronic or significant, and which usually requires long-term treatment," Dr Henderson says.

I'd love to see the evidence of "depression and anxiety" used as evidence of people that have died from covid having an " underlying condition.. of course there isnt any as it's more rubbish determined to paint covid as the black death

patient.info/news-and-features/covid-19-coronavirus-what-is-an-underlying-health-condition

@amusedtodeath1

Only 4.3% didn't have a pre-existing health conditions. So that means 95.7% of the population have some health issues? I knew it was a large percentage but I didn't realise how large.

More rubbish, find me one death from covid of someone that was " depressed" that was described as having " an underlying condition"...

@Heathermary1995

Firstly, read again, I said nothing of the sort.

Secondly, ""This refers to a medical problem that is usually chronic or significant, and which usually requires long-term treatment," Dr Henderson says." You don't think anxiety and/or depression can be chronic, significant or require long-term treatment?

@DumplingsAndStew I gave out no false information. Boris said all those things I said he did in my post. We need about 3 weeks to flatten the curve, squash the sombrero, following the rules will help you move out of the restrictive tiers (we never did get out of them despite following the rules BTW).

All of these were designed to make us think that the end was achievable, that lock down was an emergency act with an end point, that if we sacrifice everything now that better days were just around the corner. This was the point that I and another poster was making. My heartfelt apologies that I did not write out the rest of Boris's speeches for absolute full context.

@amusedtodeath1

Heath, you don't get to preach to me about charity. You don't know me and you have no clue how much I donate to good causes.

Now back to the actual discussion. Your age group, your risk, your life, Vs hundreds of thousands of dead people out of which you only care about 400?

You've just said on the thread you were prepared to go bankrupt to save lives, so why are you still typing on a device which if sold can save many lives? Surely someone with your moral integrity should be wrapping the device up ready to be sold asap?

[quote DumplingsAndStew]@Heathermary1995

Firstly, read again, I said nothing of the sort.

Secondly, ""This refers to a medical problem that is usually chronic or significant, and which usually requires long-term treatment," Dr Henderson says." You don't think anxiety and/or depression can be chronic, significant or require long-term treatment?[/quote]
I've already said, find one covid death that is classified as "having an underlying condition" which was of someone suffering " depression"... go on there must be lots, just one will do

That depends on how you value life Heath. I'd go bankrupt if it meant lives were saved. Clearly others would rather let people die if it meant they wouldn't go bankrupt, or move to a smaller house, etc.

@amusedtodeath1 There are plenty of people around the world whose lives you could save by giving them all your money and everything you own. So come on - when will you be putting your house on the market as a first step? Do keep us updated.

@Tealightsandd

The "only" 400 under 40 isn't true. It's not only bigoted ageism, it's bigoted and ignorant ableism. The figure is for the under 40s without any underlying conditions. Remember that "underlying conditions" for the data include very common issues like ever having had a fractured leg or arm or mild asthma or depression or anxiety or all manner of other not about to cark it everyday medical events.

would you like a dictionary to help with your Thesaurus problem?

@Tealightsandd

Canada has motivation to buy Pfizer and Modena from America. They're close trading partners.

You are gaslighting yourself here. If they wanted to they would just buy those vaccines, they wouldn't need to ban one in order to do so.

@Heathermary1995

I'm not privy to the information on people's death certificate.

Can you find a full and exhaustive list of conditions that are used by the Government to quantify preexisting conditions for Covid purposes? Your comments don't seem to back up the content of the links you've posted so far.

I'm waiting for the link @amusedtodeath1 will hopefully put up showing her phone, computer and house are on the market to make good on her promises. If I like the decor on the house, I may put a cheeky bid in but I suspect it may be a bit grotty to expect a discount for my renovation costs

@amusedtodeath1

Heath, you don't get to preach to me about charity. You don't know me and you have no clue how much I donate to good causes.

Now back to the actual discussion. Your age group, your risk, your life, Vs hundreds of thousands of dead people out of which you only care about 400?

But it's okay for you to call us selfish and immoral because we don't want a new vaccine technology pumped into us, because some of us in our private lives run charities and give up tons of our time and money to help people less fortunate. But none of that matters if we don't 'take one for the team' under duress?

[quote DumplingsAndStew]@Heathermary1995

I'm not privy to the information on people's death certificate.

Can you find a full and exhaustive list of conditions that are used by the Government to quantify preexisting conditions for Covid purposes? Your comments don't seem to back up the content of the links you've posted so far.[/quote]
You have stated that over 95% of the population have " pre existing conditions " including " anxiety and depression" which would be classed as such on a covid death certificate so post the evidence up to support those claims as you were the one that made those claims not me.

We speak about "conspiracy theories " on this forum but believing a healthy young person that suffered " anxiety or depression" would go down as a death with an underlying condition contributing to a covid death from anyone in the medical community is up there with the most ridiculous nonsense I've ever read on this site

@Heathermary1995

You have stated that over 95% of the population have " pre existing conditions " including " anxiety and depression" which would be classed as such on a covid death certificate

Where?

Anyway it appears to be beyond dumpling to answer so lets focus on the 17 deaths of covid under 40 of all health conditions that died of covid in the " 2nd wave"

www.thesun.co.uk/news/13051647/covid-2nd-wave-claimed-lives-17-under-40/

A tragedy but more people in 1 single day committed suicide in 2019 than the entire " 2nd wave" casualty list for the under 40s of any health condition

[quote DumplingsAndStew]@Heathermary1995

You have stated that over 95% of the population have " pre existing conditions " including " anxiety and depression" which would be classed as such on a covid death certificate

Where?[/quote]
Dumpling
"The Global Burden of Diseases, Injuries and Risk Factors Protocol of 2013 stated that in 2013 only 4.3% of the global population didn't suffer from a health problem - or what we now like to term a "pre-existing condition"

15 million approx have a health condition.

Btw, what about the over 40s?

@Heathermary1995

So where did I mention anxiety or depression would be included and classed as an underlying condition on a 'covid death certificate'? You can't just make up shit and pretend it happened 😂

@Tealightsandd

Btw, what about the over 40s?

They don't count.

Waste of resources.

Like those pesky disabled and chronically ill wasters.

It would be interesting to see the sources of the misinformation campagins targeting certain communities wouldn't it ?

@Northernsoulgirl45

15 million approx have a health condition.

Im not sure a google link to 15 million having a health condition would quantify as being sufficient to be classified as contributing to a covid death but even if that is the case it's 28% which is a far cry from over 95%.

@DumplingsAndStew You wrote

The Global Burden of Diseases, Injuries and Risk Factors Protocol of 2013 stated that in 2013 only 4.3% of the global population didn't suffer from a health problem - or what we now like to term a "pre-existing condition"

You clearly wrote that so the 388 death tally would be invalidated by implying only 4% would classify as having no underlying health conditions which has proven to be utter garbage.

Your virtuous friend who hopefully is in the process of selling her house stated that anxiety and depression would count as underlying conditions in a covid death which is incorrect

@Tealightsandd

Btw, what about the over 40s?

What about them? My link was to under 60s not under 40s but my point stands.. why would a young person want horrendous vaccine side effects for a supposedly deadly virus when during the entire 2nd wave of covid less than 1 days suicide count of people would perish of all health conditions under 40? ( 17 people) out of around 40 million?