Your position on Covid lockdowns

[kellehi]

Well, I have seen a lot of people on here changing as the wind blows and the government continues to move the goalposts with respect to lockdowns, and so the same happens here. So just wondering what your position on this will be in the future, if X happens.

Please start your post with the relevant number below, you can expand on this if you want, but not necessary.

1 - we should end the lockdown and open things up now.
2 - we should open up as originally promised on 21 June, regardless of the government position
3 - we should end the lockdown and open things up when everyone over 18 who wants a vaccine can have one
4 - we should end the lockdown and open things up when adults are vaccinated
5 - we should end the lockdown and open things up when every person including adults and children are vaccinated
6 - I think some element of lockdown should continue indefinitely whenever the government says it's required, even if it means years waiting.

Thanks

Ha I can never watch only listen on radio

I'm not sure that would be possible. Thanks to social media, we must have more first person accounts on this pandemic than any other in history, surely? The sheer volume of content is vast and easily accessible, how would you white wash that?

Because the volume is so great, certain voices can easily be amplified above others. If I followed a slightly different combination of people on Twitter I could believe that everyone has had a lovely time on lockdown and wants it to continue.

I know, it's getting pretty theatrical, isn't it? They should have tap danced off the stage.

@MarshaBradyo

I feel like I’m in the firing line as late 40s and cases will rise. I know it’s irrational and overall my risk is low but Whitty talking about higher cases and unvaccinated falling very ill and some dying made me feel exposed.

I’ve lasted a year feeling pretty robust mentally about risk so need to not let it get to me much

Now that the more vulnerable have been vaccinated, proportionally there are more younger, unvaccinated people in hospitals. That doesn’t mean that they’re at any increased risk, it just means that the vaccines are doing what they’re supposed to do and decreasing the likelihood that the older/more vulnerable groups will be hospitalised.

Bumbley I know. It wasn’t that point that made me think it as I know the age will drop.

More that as cases rise as they will the unvaccinated will be at higher risk.

Out of interest is anyone who said 1. late 40s?

And did you listen to briefing

Late forties and unvaccinated I should say

@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind

Bit harsh to suggest people who want to open up now (or on June 21st) think 'nothing bad will happen' *@PrincessNutNuts*

Maybe we're just of the opinion that if you continue with restrictions based on variants, lockdown will continue forevermore. That if the elderly/vulnerable are vaccinated, who are we protecting?

People's mental health is suffering horribly, people are worried for their jobs and children's education. There has to be a balance and I think that balance is when the vulnerable are vaccinated- and also after a year of restrictions there's only so much you can expect from people.

I stand corrected.

It's the "Just open up right now, even though we know bad things will happen" thread.

More that as cases rise as they will the unvaccinated will be at higher risk.

The people in the lower risk groups will still be low risk. It’s just that the people in the higher risk groups have had their risk reduced.

And clearly @PrincessNutNuts you're the voice for 'let's ignore all the other bad things that are happening as a result of lockdown, BECAUSE ONLY COVID MATTERS!!!!!'

@bumbleymummy

More that as cases rise as they will the unvaccinated will be at higher risk.

The people in the lower risk groups will still be low risk. It’s just that the people in the higher risk groups have had their risk reduced.

I know. But I really am interested in all those saying 1. as this increases that low risk.

2 but happy with 1.

@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind

And clearly *@PrincessNutNuts* you're the voice for 'let's ignore all the other bad things that are happening as a result of lockdown, BECAUSE ONLY COVID MATTERS!!!!!'

If you want to ascribe opinions to me you're going to have to quote where I said them.

@PrincessNutNuts you've wanted (with a sneery tone to your posts) to insinuate that people saying 1 and 2 on this thread are stupid for wanting to open up and not continue with lockdowns. As if none of the reasons people have given- jobs being lost, mental health being destroyed- never mind the most vulnerable having being vaccinated- don't matter:

That's a bit too sensible for the "just open up right now, nothing bad will happen!" thread, dude. Read the room.

So I'm presuming because you don't seem to care about those things, that it's only COVID that matters to you? If not, your giving a good impression of it.

It's the "Just open up right now, even though we know bad things will happen" thread

You missed “but bad things are happening now, and they are worse” from the end of your statement. HTH.

1, but I can cope with 2.

@PrincessNutNuts what bad things will happen? Can you be specific in any way?

The people in the lower risk groups will still be low risk. It’s just that the people in the higher risk groups have had their risk reduced.

Two factors matter - likelihood of catching covid and individual risk of harmful impacts.

As rates rise they will be disproportionately high amongst younger people. The risk of death/hospitalisations for most young individuals will be low, but the risk of unpleasant bout of covid or long-lasting symptoms will be higher than at other times, so it will be a worrying time.

2/3

www.huntsabs.org.uk/hsa-exclusive-fox-hunters-own-footage-catches-them-breaking-lockdown/

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@Artus

6. We should end lockdown when its safe to do so, and should recognise that things may change, and if cases increase more restrictions may be needed.

This

4 and I don't mind further lockdowns if more people than expected start dying next winter. But I know I say that from a privileged position where lockdown doesn't hurt me financially and I like having the kids home.

None of the above.

Keep as wide a range of tools available to manage the virus and its impact as possible:

• Vaccination - ongoing and booster
• Treatment - existing and new
• Research - well-funded and wide-ranging
• Testing - a properly accurate rapid test would be really useful
• Proper contact tracing
• Public health responses, including closing and cleaning institutions, quarantine etc
• Hospital and ICU capacity - a system that creaks in a normal year is always going to struggle at times during a pandemic. Extra routine capacity AND surge capacity, in terms of space, equipment and people, will lessen both the impact of Covid itself and the knock on effects on other treatments.
• Physical barriers to transmission where required - PPE, face coverings, distancing.
• Isolation of infected individuals and potentially their contacts
• Ultra-local, local, regional and at the last resort national restrictions, which could include lockdowns.

Making this a 'vaccination vs lockdown' debate is simple-minded at best and dangerous at worst.

@cantkeepawayforever

None of the above.

Keep as wide a range of tools available to manage the virus and its impact as possible:

• Vaccination - ongoing and booster
• Treatment - existing and new
• Research - well-funded and wide-ranging
• Testing - a properly accurate rapid test would be really useful
• Proper contact tracing
• Public health responses, including closing and cleaning institutions, quarantine etc
• Hospital and ICU capacity - a system that creaks in a normal year is always going to struggle at times during a pandemic. Extra routine capacity AND surge capacity, in terms of space, equipment and people, will lessen both the impact of Covid itself and the knock on effects on other treatments.
• Physical barriers to transmission where required - PPE, face coverings, distancing.
• Isolation of infected individuals and potentially their contacts
• Ultra-local, local, regional and at the last resort national restrictions, which could include lockdowns.

Making this a 'vaccination vs lockdown' debate is simple-minded at best and dangerous at worst.

Excellent post