Your position on Covid lockdowns

[kellehi]

Well, I have seen a lot of people on here changing as the wind blows and the government continues to move the goalposts with respect to lockdowns, and so the same happens here. So just wondering what your position on this will be in the future, if X happens.

Please start your post with the relevant number below, you can expand on this if you want, but not necessary.

1 - we should end the lockdown and open things up now.
2 - we should open up as originally promised on 21 June, regardless of the government position
3 - we should end the lockdown and open things up when everyone over 18 who wants a vaccine can have one
4 - we should end the lockdown and open things up when adults are vaccinated
5 - we should end the lockdown and open things up when every person including adults and children are vaccinated
6 - I think some element of lockdown should continue indefinitely whenever the government says it's required, even if it means years waiting.

Thanks

2.5,

End the lockdown on 21st June if hospitalisations and deaths are down and seeming to stay down.

I want things to get back to normal as soon as possible, but only if it is safe to do so, in terms of no exponential climb in hospitalisations (cases are secondary).

I am sick, however, of relatively rich people saying 'I can't do this any more'. If you are so bored with your comfy life, go and get a job volunteering at a soup kitchen or a homeless shelter (or similar), where you will be allowed to mix with other people.

[quote Newmama29]@millenialblush I just don’t understand this need to bully & scare others into compliance. I’m so glad to see people finally standing up to it![/quote]
I'm sorry, but do you mean people are being bullied and frightened into compliance on mumsnet, or that this is what the restrictions are?

I often feel that it's the opposite on here - being called A 'lockdown lover' if you can see the need for restrictions, being called scared and enjoying it all...I sometimes feel like I've entered the Upside Down!

@HazeyJaneII both. We’re being encouraged to snitch on our neighbours & people aggressively arguing with others for shopping in pairs or with their kids. We’ve turned very cruel towards one another. It’s only very recently that people against lockdowns have actually started saying so on mn

It’s only very recently that people against lockdowns have actually started saying so on mn

This is just not true, at all.

@HazeyJaneII it’s definitely been my experience this last year, & from this thread a couple of others too

[quote dividedwefall]@cantkeepawayforever nah what is simple minded is supporting any more lockdowns as a way to beat a virus that will be on its way out naturally if we stop messing about with 'restrictions' and tiers.[/quote]
Could you link to a good academic or similar study that shows this?

Also with the estimated death toll and numbers of cases for such a 'do nothing' option?

If what you mean is a virus whose effect on individuals in this country is reducing as a result of mass vaccination and better treatment in hospitals that are not overwhelmed as a result of lockdown but need some recovery time and would be even better controlled if we had accurate rapid tests (in terms of very low false negatives) and a really good track and trace system as well as careful quarantine arrangements, I agree.

If you mean 'don't worry, we could have done nothing and eventually it would have died out and the death and illness toll would have been no worse than we have had', I don't agree with you. But as I say, a good peer-reviewed study would be helpful.

@hazeyjanell over the past 12 months I've read some absolutely crazy things one here - curtain twitching and asking whether to report neighbours for having family over at xmas, someone went berserk because they saw someone buying a cake which was non-essential, ranting about non mask wearers, the other day there was the person who was angry because a family were visiting their granny. And let us not forget the suggestion that we put cheese in our coffee if we run out of milk, rather than risk our lives going out to the shop.

I do think lockdown/covid hysteria took over MN, and thankfully I have noticed, there does seem to be a more varied response to these kind of threads over the past couple of weeks.

As for 'lockdown lover', I see that less than I see the term 'anti vaxxer' for anyone even daring to question whether to have the vaccine, or 'conspiracy therorist' for doubting the governments management of the pandemic.

There were quite a few people on here supportive of this bloke too.

[quote MercyBooth]There were quite a few people on here supportive of this bloke too.

[/quote] Judging by the horrible responses of some on the site he’s probably a MNer.

I guess we see the world from our own windows, I was told I was akin to a Nazi sympathizer because I agreed with trying to stick to the rules!

I left mumsnet for a spell, after 14 years, last year when all this started because I was so surprised by (what seemed to me) the majority view...I came back because I missed some of the support I'd found here over the years, and was am amazed that it seemed even worse!

There seemed to be even more Great Barrington Declaration, Focused Protection, herd immunity, masks are child abuse, being labelled a Priviliged Lockdown Lover etc etc....however I found that looking at how my friends in rl are acting (resigned and measured) and looking out for the wise calm of certain posters like @RedToothBrush etc I could make the vein in my forehead stop throbbing!

@HazeyJaneII it's so interesting that we can all be seeing the same content, yet we all have a different take on it. To me, the site and particularly the coronavirus board has seemed overwhelmingly in favour of Covid and hiding away from it, closing down schools and society etc. Yet you see the opposite. I guess we notice most what makes us annoyed so it could be 50/50 really.

The same phenomenon happens with the BBC. Right/Right of Centre voters find it to be bordering on Communist whereas Left/Centre Left accuse it of being in Tory pockets and overwhelmingly right wing.

How can it be both of these things?

dividedwefall

As a teacher, I have always reckoned that if, over time, I get an equal number of comments along each of the following lines:
"My lower ability child isn't properly catered for"
"My more able child isn't stretched"
"My child is the 'invisible middle'"

then I reckon i must be balancing things about right [or am a truly terrible teacher who fails all pupils, but i do know that not to be the case]

@HazeyJaneII Thought-provoking post. Have to say I’ve been the same with MN but in entirely the opposite direction, so I think you’re right in saying we all have very different perspectives on this!

I'm pretty sure if we all sat down together in a pub or a coffee shop we would all find some common ground...it can sometimes get so polarised on here and social media in general.

Lockdown should be the option of last resort, the “nuclear” option. It shouldn’t be the default reaction to rising cases / hospitalisations.

@WithTeaTree

Lockdown should be the option of last resort, the “nuclear” option. It shouldn’t be the default reaction to rising cases / hospitalisations.

This x1000!! It’s became the go to norm to lockdown every time cases rise.

1!!!! Cannot be fucked with what Covid has turned some people into anymore and the quicker they can get out doing what they did before the better!

[quote dividedwefall]@HazeyJaneII it's so interesting that we can all be seeing the same content, yet we all have a different take on it. To me, the site and particularly the coronavirus board has seemed overwhelmingly in favour of Covid and hiding away from it, closing down schools and society etc. Yet you see the opposite. I guess we notice most what makes us annoyed so it could be 50/50 really.

The same phenomenon happens with the BBC. Right/Right of Centre voters find it to be bordering on Communist whereas Left/Centre Left accuse it of being in Tory pockets and overwhelmingly right wing.

How can it be both of these things?[/quote]
Definitely you notice the opposite more

@WithTeaTree

Lockdown should be the option of last resort, the “nuclear” option. It shouldn’t be the default reaction to rising cases / hospitalisations.

Yes

@namechangerforthisconfessionn

1!!!! Cannot be fucked with what Covid has turned some people into anymore and the quicker they can get out doing what they did before the better!

👏👏👏

1. This is no life

1 - what happened to being led by data rather than dates? This gradual 'easing of lockdown' is ridiculous in the context of current rates

Not only should lockdown be the last resort and an absolute emergency measure it should be a ‘one time only’ measure. It was supposed to be.
It’s not a strategy to keep using. It means you are absolutely failing as a government.

@mum2jakie

1 - what happened to being led by data rather than dates? This gradual 'easing of lockdown' is ridiculous in the context of current rates

Yep. Data when you want to lockdown longer but not when you could open up sooner.