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Average age of coronavirus fatalities

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SlugsTrout · 27/03/2021 13:53

www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/averageageofthosewhohaddiedwithcovid19

That is all.

OP posts:
Littlefluffyclouds13 · 27/03/2021 21:45

Excuse the typos, I'm tired & sad!!

ImAlrightThanx · 27/03/2021 21:46

Oops, pressed post too soon.
The delay in diagnoses is because outpatient services were cut back to redeploy staff from clinics to wards.
If someone doesn't come into hospital because there are no beds, everything takes longer.
If the doctor who wanted the scan is then off sick due to covid - delay in reviewing the results.
It's not all about covid, but covid affects the functioning of the whole health service.

notrub · 27/03/2021 21:50

[quote OverTheRainbow88]@notrub

Why should covid trump all other illnesses?

And I very much doubt an oncologist would be treating a covid patient in ICU[/quote]
I didn't say it did, but there are only so many ICU beds and ICU trained nurses.

Sometimes I find it incredible the extent to which you have to spell some things out for people. Willful ignorance or what??

RainingBatsAndFrogs · 27/03/2021 22:04

OP, do please come back and explain what this proves?

That rather than full up the hospitals everyone’s parents and grandparents should just have been chucked in a heap in the hospital car park and left to die?

IS that what you mean? Given that the main thrust of the strategy had been to cut down hospital admissions.

Can you offer a sample script for a 999 operator taking a call from a frantic woman, you perhaps, saying her mother cannot breathe? “How old? 83? Oh sorry, based on public opinion on MN we are unable to use resources in support of her recovery. If you have been affected by the contents of this message we can offer details of a bereavement support helpline for your assistance in a day or two “

Northernsoulgirl45 · 27/03/2021 22:50

@StarCat2020 DrPimento on Twitter has links to NHS England data. I don't really do Twitter so struggled to find the evidence when I was accused of scaremongering on another thread.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 27/03/2021 22:55

Sorry about your dd @Littlefluffyclouds13. I hope she recovers soon.
Sadly death isn't the only bad outcome from COVID.
I also accept some have lost their livelihood too and homes too.
I think mistakes were made early on by BJ not taking it seriously abd of NHS underfunding is also an issue.
Very tough balancing act.

BilboBercow · 27/03/2021 22:57

This is BRAND NEW INFORMATION! We know op. We don't think people should just go away and die because they're 80. Measures are not just in place to stop people dying, they're also in place to stop the NHS becoming overwhelmed.

moochingtothepub · 27/03/2021 22:58

I know it's not a simple situation because some younger people have died and a significant number of younger people (under 65 let's say for argument) have had long lasting symptoms, some of these may be lifelong.

But ultimately as a society we need to decide whether we continue to keep life on hold or open up knowing there will be potentially more deaths. Even that's not a straightforward equation but staying closed for even 3 more months also potentially has lifelong consequences. My dd and a friend of hers have both been so affected psychologically by lockdown their universities had to call in a mental health team and was close to sectioning - lockdown means she won't get her degree basically

Pootle40 · 27/03/2021 23:06

@WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants

That's only up until 2 October

The age of people dying since October is much lower.

Since it seems important to you, you might want to look into that.

It isn't actually.
Onandoff · 27/03/2021 23:31

Tell this to my 40 year old colleague, 60 year old colleague and my 70 year old mum - all dead. I have a 50 year old marathon runner friend who can no longer walk as her lungs are so fucked six months on.

JustBreatheLxs · 28/03/2021 00:39

I’m not blaming individual clinical staff, admin or support staff because, for the most part, I cannot fault my amazing medical care. However, the NHS managers (probably not seen a patient in a clinical setting for years!) and the government have handled it appalling. No surprises there! There were directions ‘from above’ which meant clinics and treatments were cancelled very early on in the pandemic and some never managed to return to decent patient, care even when things got better. I fully appreciate some areas and specialities did it better than others but many have utterly failed patients. Again, it’s management and organisation, not individual staff who I have nothing but praise for, particularly given the traumas they’ve witnessed.

“Because of Covid” seems to have become a constant management fob off statement. Can’t see a specialist nurse because they’ve been redeployed? Totally understandable but other elements of life prolonging NHS care just stopped. The excuses were not acceptable and it certainly cane from higher up, so no criticism of the medical team who oversee my care.

Objectively, I have deteriorated over the last year. I never was likely to live a long life but I feel utterly robbed. :( In some areas, they looked at more creative ways of ensuring patients like me got their treatment but it’s been inconsistent across the country.

It’s been an entire year and hospitals have not been at absolute breaking point for all this time. There have been gaps when treatment could have been stepped up for me or other people. Some hospitals managed it, so I know I’m not asking for the moon on a stick. The blame lies solely with this crappy government who have allowed the NHS to be too under funded for too long.

It’s not all about covid. I wish some posters on MN realise this. I know many of the people involved in my medical care do realise this and some have fought hard for me and others, going above and beyond.

babbi · 28/03/2021 00:45

Those statistics will be of no comfort to the mother I know who buried her fit and healthy 24 year old son last week .
Tested positive for covid and was dead within 2 weeks.

RoseWineTime · 28/03/2021 00:47

It was on the news the other day that on average the people who died lost 10 years of life which is tragic.

Duckyface · 28/03/2021 03:15
The figures are harder to decipher than we realised.

Yes we know certain age groups and those with certain illnesses suffer more greatly with this disease.

However they also have been flatly denied treatment, icu, even access to hospital and even pretty much just left to die to prioritise care for other groups. It’s inhumane. I don’t blame the nhs because the late lockdown forced this decision.

This definitely happened in the first lockdown, as the nook Failures of the State reveals. I don’t know if it happened in the last wave. I’ll be horrified if it happened again but the nhs was even more overwhelmed this time so ...

When you leave a certain age group to die. They die. It skews the figures too.

Duckyface · 28/03/2021 03:17

And figures for the new Kent variant in this country and across Europe shoe severe illness and death in much younger ages.

Duckyface · 28/03/2021 03:20

@Onandoff

Tell this to my 40 year old colleague, 60 year old colleague and my 70 year old mum - all dead. I have a 50 year old marathon runner friend who can no longer walk as her lungs are so fucked six months on.
I’m so sorry for your loss. My oh in the last month lost a 38 year old colleague and 42 year olds friend to it too and my previously healthy 41 year old friend has been ill for a year. Its more serious than people realise.
Wherediditgo · 28/03/2021 07:45

These threads are so pointless. On both sides.

Firstly, posting some stats with no argument to back up why is bullshit.
Secondly, because MN are seemingly incapable of having a rational debate about victims of lockdown vs victims of Covid. Many trot out ‘tell that to my xx year old colleague who is now dead’ - typical shut down debate with emotive crap and try and refute national statistics with their sample sizes of one.
It’s like banging your head against a brick wall.

Toomanymuslins · 28/03/2021 07:46

@AllTheWayFromLondonDAMN

I recently saw a talk given by Michael Rosen who’s just written an amazing book about getting Covid, being in ICU, surviving and his longer term illness as a result.

He talked about how terrible it is that we as a society and medics generally have dismissed the older generation in all of this saying things like “oh well they are over 70” like people over 70 don’t have lives and loves and family and an interior life.

He also made a compelling case for how much more dangerous long Covid is for younger people and detailed some of the terrible cases he’s seen in rehabilitation classes/sessions. The majority of these are under 40, many having lost things like part of their sight/hearing and mobility with doctors having no idea if and when they’ll get better or how to begin to make them better. He said actually death isn’t the thing young people should be most scared of when it comes to Covid. Death is at least final (if untreatable) but losing your eyesight or use of your limbs is a sentence.

Have we?

How?

Where?

twelly · 28/03/2021 08:07

The average age of Covid deaths is into the 80s, I believe the average age of the deaths of those who will die due to the lockdown will be much lower, no diagnostic tests so diseases which could have been tackled early, poor physical health, poor metal health both leading to early death. This in my opinion supports the view that we should have let the old abs vulnerable lock down - their choice and let the feast of society just get on with life. We have destroyed the economy we have cause misery and further hardship for many, wrecked the lives of many young people.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 28/03/2021 09:43

Most of the deaths (and ill health) caused by lockdown haven’t happened yet. It will be a long time before we know whether or not it was worth it.

bobbiester · 28/03/2021 09:56

Average = ages of people who have died / number of people who have died.

Many will be considerably younger than the average, many will be older than average.

The average alone doesn't tell you much about the range of people who are dying.

Wherediditgo · 28/03/2021 10:14

@bobbiester

Average = ages of people who have died / number of people who have died.

Many will be considerably younger than the average, many will be older than average.

The average alone doesn't tell you much about the range of people who are dying.

True - but surely there is only so high that age can be. What I mean by that is, there is a possibility of outliers in the younger age group but not in the other direction. E.g. we cannot say that a statistically higher number of younger people are dying looking at that average as there would have to a significantly high number dying in a bracket of over 120 years old (if that makes sense) to balance out that average. Sorry - I’m probably talking bollocks and I’m by no means an expert. Just a general musing.
bobbiester · 28/03/2021 10:19

@Wherediditgo

Yes - the distribution is skewed because of ceiling effect at the upper end. There just aren't many people in their 90s around to catch and die of COVID.

I just checked the ONS data and yes - while the AVERAGE age of COVID-19 deaths is 80, approximately 23,000 people under 70 have died from it (17% of the total deaths).

About 20,000 of these are in the 50-70 age group.

twelly · 28/03/2021 10:25

True we don't know the full extent of the harm the lockdown downs but we are already seeing the impact on the young and lack of diagnoses in other cases. The average age of 82, agreed we don't know the age range but clearly most are older. The U.K. has had 3 lockdowns the groups these have sought to protect are the elderly and vulnerable. I believe the impact on the rest of society and the young on particular has and will be too great. I believe many people have this view but have been silenced, the care homes have been seen as a priority, sadly most care home residents do not live long and have a poor quality of life and poor health , that has been prioritised over the young, they have borne the brunt of the lockdowns

Wherediditgo · 28/03/2021 10:33

[quote bobbiester]@Wherediditgo

Yes - the distribution is skewed because of ceiling effect at the upper end. There just aren't many people in their 90s around to catch and die of COVID.

I just checked the ONS data and yes - while the AVERAGE age of COVID-19 deaths is 80, approximately 23,000 people under 70 have died from it (17% of the total deaths).

About 20,000 of these are in the 50-70 age group.[/quote]
You put it better than I did Grin

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