Average age of coronavirus fatalities

[SlugsTrout]

www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/averageageofthosewhohaddiedwithcovid19

That is all.

So that’s 3% of Covid fatalities are among the under 50s. What percentage of the population is under 50?

3,000 Covid deaths among under 50s

@AlecTrevelyan006

So that’s 3% of Covid fatalities are among the under 50s. What percentage of the population is under 50?

And your point is?

Are we not meant to care about the 20,000 dead 50-70 year olds???

@AlecTrevelyan006

So that’s 3% of Covid fatalities are among the under 50s. What percentage of the population is under 50?

So the other 97% of over 50s are being left in limbo for an indefinite length of time?

Domestic violence soaring, long term damage to public MH, an exponential digital lifestyle, potentially stunted childhood development, limited cultural experiences...

A non-exhaustive list.

And your point is?

Are we not meant to care about the 20,000 dead 50-70 year olds???

What about the millions of children and young people affected by lockdown?

The thousands of businesses and livelihoods irreparably damaged?

There is a difference between caring and sacrificing - the damage is enormous

Oh hello OP you're back then? There's lots of questions for you...

I think the mental health and emotional well-being of the general public is more important than 20,000 deaths in the 50 - 70 age bracket who likely may have have died of seasonal flu or other viral infection.

Nevermind the thousands of people missing cancer and life limiting diagnoses.

@twelly

There is a difference between caring and sacrificing - the damage is enormous

Definitely.

Well, we’ve now vaccinated a significant proportion of that group so deaths/hospitalisations should be much lower.

@Sparklingbrook

Oh hello OP you're back then? There's lots of questions for you...

Will scroll back and read. Thanks.

I think there needs to be conversations in this country regarding this.

The older generations, who are more likely to die and be severely affected health wise from Covid are on the whole much wealthier.

There needs to be conversations around what younger people have sacrificed during this pandemic, to protect these older generations, as on a whole we have been much more economically effected both in the short and long term.

I agree with lockdown, but I think there needs to be up front conversations about generational wealth inequalities and the further economic consequences of Covid on younger people.

I'd happily die for my grandchildren if it meant they would get to have the childhood and education they deserve. I'd happily self-isolate until the vaccination program is complete.

My point is, perhaps until the R rate falls close to nil and most if the population are vaccinated, all over 70s should be shielding?

Children and young families have been living in isolation long enough. Over 70s have had their education and childhoods. I don't think a 3 month lockdown for the elderly and clinically vulnerable is unreasonable.

@SlugsTrout

I think the mental health and emotional well-being of the general public is more important than 20,000 deaths in the 50 - 70 age bracket who likely may have have died of seasonal flu or other viral infection.

Nevermind the thousands of people missing cancer and life limiting diagnoses.

@SlugsTrout

Are 20,000 dead 50-70 year olds and their bereaved families not members of the "general public"??

You seem to have a very narrow view of who we should care about.

@SlugsTrout - Children and young families have been living in isolation long enough.

Children are back at school in the UK - which country are you in???

The stats show this does proportionally affect older people with co-morbidities. This does not make them expendable and it does not make it any less tragic . There has been many mistruths around younger age groups such as this matron who lied about children being overrun by covid. This contributed to the fear around children going back to school but was based on lies

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/ecu/chiles-on-friday-radio-5-live-1-january-2021

We owe it to all parts of society to keep them from harm and that includes vulnerable and children and a balanced approach based on facts and not propaganda is needed

We also need to demonstrate empathy to all, not just people that have died of covid sadly but to millions of people who have been affected by mental health, will continue to be affected by decades of poverty, missed cancer treatments too. These peoples fears are valid and if you stopped to look at it from their perspective you can see why it must be frustrating that they feel like they have been forgotten and the stats they see are for an age group that could have been better protected
. Remember it was discharges to care homes that caused so many deaths , it was a circa 50% infection in hospitals that caused so many deaths. The impact on the majority could have been lesser with some better management there and those heavily impacted must feel that this is not fair.

This is not black and white. The greatest loss we have had which is evident in these threads is the loss of compassion and empathy to understand this is terrible on so many different levels

The young have been locked up to protect the old , the 50 - 70 year olds can/could make their own decisions。The damage will be with us for years. Quality of life needs to be considered - is an extra two months or year in a nursing home the same as the lifetime damage to a 13/17 year old. Self harm, suicides, mental ill health has destroyed some teenagers and even the more robust teenagers have suffered.

@Nerdygirl I totally agree.

The medically vulnerable are NOT expendable whatever their age, but protecting them (and the NHS) has come at a bloody massive price for so many, and it’s ok to care about that too. This pandemic has caused so much suffering on so many levels.

I wonder about the small lives of people who post this stuff. They really must live in a tiny bubble and not know many people. Off the top of my head I can mention people I know in their late 70s and 80s. One Is very fit and youthful and worked in a care home part-time when this started (around 75). I heard she was an absolute favourite with the residents because of her humour and kindness.
Another is 80 and the main carer of her grandchildren.
A man who is 79 and runs a community garden. Ex-forces and fitter than me!
Please OP, if you do nothing else - get a life and meet more people.

No one is saying let the die but that the young should not have been locked up and continued to be locked up. Keep the nursing homes closed and safe fine, if you choose stay at home but society should carry on .

You seem to have a very narrow view of who we should care about.

@bobbiester So we shouldn't care about/give priority to the the long term well-being and livelihoods of millions of children and young people?

@DianaT1969

I wonder about the small lives of people who post this stuff. They really must live in a tiny bubble and not know many people. Off the top of my head I can mention people I know in their late 70s and 80s. One Is very fit and youthful and worked in a care home part-time when this started (around 75). I heard she was an absolute favourite with the residents because of her humour and kindness. Another is 80 and the main carer of her grandchildren. A man who is 79 and runs a community garden. Ex-forces and fitter than me! Please OP, if you do nothing else - get a life and meet more people.

Most of my friends are on average 15 - 20 years older than me. One of my best friends is 73 - shielding. My DP are over 70 - healthy but shielding. I grew up in a family with many great aunts, uncles and cousins.

Would you be ok if the government had said their new policy was not to treat anyone over the age of 70 for covid? So not admit anyone to hospital, no drug treatments, just left at home to either pull through or die?

@titchy

Would you be ok if the government had said their new policy was not to treat anyone over the age of 70 for covid? So not admit anyone to hospital, no drug treatments, just left at home to either pull through or die?

Why take this to the extreme and twist my words?

Nobody is saying leave the elderly to die.

I think when you start looking at more figures on the ONS website it's interesting to see that the average age of coronavirus deaths is not far off the average life expectancy in the UK. I'm no COVID denier, nor do I think older people are worth less. But it is a fact that the older we get the more likely we are to die.

More interestingly is the total mortality data. Nearly identical for 2019 as 2020 (based on up to 25th Dec figure I found). There's so much info on there I'd need to dig around but that initially suggests that recording COVID as cause of death if the patient had a positive test in the last 28 days might be misrepresentative.