Average age of coronavirus fatalities

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www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/averageageofthosewhohaddiedwithcovid19

That is all.

@DIshedUp If you’ve seen the latest polls people don’t seem that angry

It has always been ridiculous that all ages have been placed into protective measures like lockdown rather than those who are vulnerable to serious harm from covid. We really are in a post-science age where hurt feelings are more important than unpalatable facts.

@redglobox

It has always been ridiculous that all ages have been placed into protective measures like lockdown rather than those who are vulnerable to serious harm from covid. We really are in a post-science age where hurt feelings are more important than unpalatable facts.

Scientifically shielding doesn't work

The underlying conditions actually include so many more things than you would expect.

It just seems like yet another way of making deaths about "other people who don't matter".

Utterly disgusting.

I did have a list but I can't find it now.

How would just locking down the vulnerable word @redglobox you realise that ,Dr,,Nurses,,Shopworkers ,etc etc some of them will have underlying health issues,that make them CEV? My DH is 46 and he is classed as CEV so would I have to be lockdown with him and our kids?

You've posted that link as if it were news, OP. I'm surprised that you didn't know before that the vast majority of deaths have been in older people. I think the rest of us knew that already.

I don't understand what you're trying to say with the "that is all" comment.

There's a valid discussion to be had about whether the penalties to the young were worth preventing lots of harms to the old & older (& however long Long Covid lasts for), but this thread won't achieve that.

Whether more life-years were lost to covid or due to Lockdown...also will be debated. Economists will have the very best articles to come out of the pandemic (eventually).

The average age of those hospitalised started getting younger in January if I recall the press conference information correctly.

Then there is long Covid age, and also the operations and other medical treatments postponed.

And can I also add that if I was old, frail and in my 80s I would rather die than see my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren locked in their homes, deprived of their schooling and all the fun in their lives to give me a few more weeks and months

Erm....the whole point of lockdown was so your children, grandchildren and great grandchildren had access to essential healthcare should they have needed it.

Plenty of 80 year olds are a long way off being ‘frail’ and continue to make useful contributions to society as a whole. My mum worked in her own business to the age of 81.

@MedSchoolRat

There's a valid discussion to be had about whether the penalties to the young were worth preventing lots of harms to the old & older (& however long Long Covid lasts for), but this thread won't achieve that.

Whether more life-years were lost to covid or due to Lockdown...also will be debated. Economists will have the very best articles to come out of the pandemic (eventually).

Yes, DH and I have been discussing this for several months.

@CuthbertDibbleandGrubb

The average age of those hospitalised started getting younger in January if I recall the press conference information correctly.

Then there is long Covid age, and also the operations and other medical treatments postponed.

ONS up to mid february:

Median		Mean	
Involving COVID-19	Due to COVID-19	Involving COVID-19	Due to COVID-19

People 82 82 79.9 80
Males 80 80 78.1 78.1
Females 84 85 81.9 82

[quote Username198]@notrub And hospitals did close their doors patients that’s my point. I don’t understand why one illness was prioritised over every other illness.[/quote]
Covid prioritised itself.

Emergency treatments never stopped and covid requiring hospital treatment is an emergency treatment. If you were running a hospital you have finite staff and physical resources - do you turn away very sick people requiring assistance with their breathing or stabilising their organ functions so other routine procedures can take place or do you push what can be pushed further down the list because you have physical bodies turning up at your doors. That’s the whole point of these lockdowns and restrictions - immediate need for healthcare is really, really high with covid. My, now ex, hospital had seventeen wards open at one point in January, ten of those were filled with patients all with the same diagnosis and complications. That never happens with any other illness.

@MedSchoolRat

There's a valid discussion to be had about whether the penalties to the young were worth preventing lots of harms to the old & older (& however long Long Covid lasts for), but this thread won't achieve that.

Whether more life-years were lost to covid or due to Lockdown...also will be debated. Economists will have the very best articles to come out of the pandemic (eventually).

I agree there are many discussions that will need to take place post-covid. I really hope that the trauma some of our HCP’s have gone through is taken into account because I really don’t think they could have coped with much more than they had to.

This is interesting. (notwithstanding a possible drop and run OP - maybe they'll return) because medical responses are often driven by a cost benefit assessment. Eg, there are drugs that prolong the lives of cancer patients by months that aren't approved because their expense is not deemed to justify giving them.

I wonder what the average age of death from cancer is? I know cancer isn't infectious so it's not a direct comparison, but it's not fair to accuse people who point out that deaths from covid 19 mostly affect the elderly people as uncaring when the measures to reduce deaths has had and will have a disproportionate cost to young people compared with the older people in our population.

There's already a problem with ageism IMO, which is being made worse by the fact that younger people at relatively little risk from covid have had to shoulder the brunt of the harms from the restrictions.

Lol. X posted with cornettoninja who has made this point more concisely.

@user1477249785

I wonder if people who post like this realise that they will also be in their 80's one day. Presumably they will be happy to sacrifice their lives at that point for the great good?

I wouldn’t want the younger generation to face economic ruin for me, no. When you get to your 80s you’ve lived a life, anything else is a bonus really.

I think it’s heartless what we have done to the younger generations. But there you go.

I wonder if the tories wouldn’t risked ruining the country for an illness which didn’t affect its voting base the worst...

I think it was an Italian doctor (I could be mistaken) who made a comment that went something along these lines.

Covid mostly only kills the old, so if you're 50, you probably think it's no biggie. Except that heart operation which we could have been doing on you, now can't happen because we're busy treating covid patients.
If you're a healthy 40, even less risk - but then that cancer diagnosis doesn't happen quickly enough because we're busy treating covid patients, so you die.
You're 30 - no fear of covid at all, but then you fall off a ladder at work and suffer serious head injuries - the ambulance doesn't get there in time because it's busy picking up covid patients.

You're 19 - in a car accident... etc

@dividedwefall

And can I also add that if I was old, frail and in my 80s I would rather die than see my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren locked in their homes, deprived of their schooling and all the fun in their lives to give me a few more weeks and months.

Well you're not. So your post is claptrap and rather ironic given your "straw man" bollocks beforehand. Only one straw man argument here and it's the "if I were 80 I'd take the bullet" trope.

@notrub

Why should covid trump all other illnesses?

And I very much doubt an oncologist would be treating a covid patient in ICU

I think it’s quite heinous to attribute the most malicious interpretation to the op as one could think if..Ie it doesn’t matter if over eighties die.

When actually there’s much more benign interpretations. Which is why couldn’t we protect this age group whilst allowing the rest of society to function.

@Bluntness100

I think it’s quite heinous to attribute the most malicious interpretation to the op as one could think if..Ie it doesn’t matter if over eighties die.

When actually there’s much more benign interpretations. Which is why couldn’t we protect this age group whilst allowing the rest of society to function.

Because it's impossible.

The over 80s, statistically, are more likely to need health care appointments and need social care. It's impossible to shield if you need people to help you manage your health and care needs.
If a carer is out and about in a community which has been allowed to function and covid rates are high, they are putting the vulnerable at much more risk.

[quote OverTheRainbow88]@notrub

Why should covid trump all other illnesses?

And I very much doubt an oncologist would be treating a covid patient in ICU[/quote]
An oncologist could very well be treating an oncology patient who also had covid.

My dd is 19. She had covid last October, very mild symptoms, recovered in days.

Within weeks she went from being a lively, sociable uni student living with her friends, to living back at home with me.
6 months she suffers with crippling anxiety and gets breathless if we walk to fast on our daily dog walk.

Covid isn't just about deaths. Believe me, you really should avoid getting it.
Look at the emerging data about long covid, we're only just beginning to see the after effects of catching it.