And so it begins - with pubs?

[MistressoftheDarkSide]

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/24/pubs-should-decide-whether-to-demand-vaccine-passports-pm-says

Some rather good points raised in the article to be fair

So what happens if someone tests positive? Presumably then the pub will have to send all staff for a test and remain closed?

Staff member gets sent home, those negative keep on working.

Staff member gets sent home, those negative keep on working.

Would that work if they had been in close contact though?

So everyday you’ll have to arrive 30 minutes before your shift starts to take a Covid test, meaning there’s a chance that you’ll be sent home.

Do you get paid for turning up early? Do you get sick pay?

It’s bonkers and impractical- but will probably happen in some form or other

So mixed aged groups (i.e. families!) won't easily be able to go to pubs either?

The vaccination doesn't stop ppl catching/transmitting Covid-19. It only stops ppl needing hospitalisation. Discussions about vaccine passports don't seem to mention ppl believe it is a good idea medically or to stop Covid-19 etc, but bc ppl believe if they agree to it they will be allowed to go on holiday, or we'll be out of Lockdown quicker etc. It is viewed as a means to an (anticipated) end. No-one actually seems to have considered what we are sacrificing with a vaccine passport, what it really means in practice, or even if it is actually necessary.

You're right @pioneergirl. And you could gain entry to a pub with a vaccination certificate but still be COVID positive and spread your germs far and wide. It doesn't really make sense when you put some thought into it!

But of course, conspiracy theorists who at the start of this said that it was only an excuse to bring in mass control using vaccines and vaccines passports are all just a bunch of nutters...

• have had my IDs scanned and retained for entry to large London clubs in the past - presumably in case there was an issue that they later needed to get in touch with people about."

Some places have adopted it as part of a scheme, they don't retain your info once it's been scanned, but it links to other venues in the area and will tell them if you've been banned or not. Where I went to uni there were a lot of issues at night, and often if someone was kicked out of one place it would be a ban from all venues in the city for x amount of time. I can't remember the exact stats, but apparently it did reduce antisocial behaviour and crime by quite a fair bit, I never had an issue with it personally.

@AlecTrevelyan006

So everyday you’ll have to arrive 30 minutes before your shift starts to take a Covid test, meaning there’s a chance that you’ll be sent home.

Do you get paid for turning up early? Do you get sick pay?

It’s bonkers and impractical- but will probably happen in some form or other

They would surely have to pay people because wasn't there a case with some companies not paying full NMW because they were having to stay for longer at their workplaces for searches etc. Most of these jobs are NMW

@pioneergirl

The vaccination doesn't stop ppl catching/transmitting Covid-19. It only stops ppl needing hospitalisation. Discussions about vaccine passports don't seem to mention ppl believe it is a good idea medically or to stop Covid-19 etc, but bc ppl believe if they agree to it they will be allowed to go on holiday, or we'll be out of Lockdown quicker etc. It is viewed as a means to an (anticipated) end. No-one actually seems to have considered what we are sacrificing with a vaccine passport, what it really means in practice, or even if it is actually necessary.

But that's the point. In theory case numbers aren't the issue, it's those who are seriously poorly and/or need hospital treatment that need to be kept low. The vaccine has shown to reduce the severity in a high % of people which is the important thing. As it is I don't think many pubs will bother in reality, it's the government covering their arse so if opening pubs comes back to bite them they can say well they had options, and blame the landlords.

Sorry if already been raised, havent read the whole thread. My son is the manager of a small brewery in a popular sussex towm, they have a small taproom and takeaway service for their beer. He is 29 and he'll be behind the bar in May but not vaccinated, so seems a bit pointless really as the majority of hospitality staff are young people.

Not sure why a vaccine certificate would grant entry when you can still spread it while vaccinated? Surely a negative test would be better.

Also there's millions of us who haven't had the vaccine bur have had the real disease which also gives immunity. Quite unfair to those of us that quarantined as needed when we were ill to protect others but are now left out even though our immunity is likely stronger as it usually it when you have the real pathogen.

@Nerdygirl

Utter lunacy - in a blink of the eye we move more and more to a police stare for a virus that is mild as quoted by whitty for the vast majority

Am I alone in thinking all sense of proportion has gone out of the window. I suspect if we didn’t have social media and 24 he news coverage this would have been a totally different situation

Completely agree.

I thought that the trials could not show if the vaccine prevented transmission , were inconclusive or didn't try to record that

but it does seem as if they do reduce the numbers catching and transmitting

I think they said you were 30% less likely to catch covid if one person in your house had a single dose of the vaccine

Seems very promising

Let’s pick in pubs AGAIN.

The root of all social evil that local pub is 🙄.

But you can go anywhere else (except abroad), restaurant,cafe,teach reams of kids, go to a packed supermarket, on a train/bus, cinema, sports fixture, theatre, street party, festival etc etc etc without this “passport”?

Fucking ridiculous, pubs don’t want this, pub leaders don’t want this, apparently nightclub owners are happy to do this - because they have a highly vaccinated age group don’t they 🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️)

Presumably it won’t discriminate because those not vaccinated could use outside spaces this summer. And no where is going to be 100% safe . We are still only minimising risk .

I think for foreign travel a negative test or proof of vaccine will be the only way to open things up .

Both on flying out and on return . Again this will only minimise risk

This is not the same as compulsory vaccine .

Deaths are low atm but that does not help when you know someone in hospital now only in their 40 s who have given very little chance of survival. All you can do is hope for a miracle. It’s such a horrible virus .

If AstraZeneca gives 100% protection against severe disease, hospitalisation and death, https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2021/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-confirms-protection-against-severe-disease-hospitalisation-and-death-in-the-primary-analysis-of-phase-iii-trials.html then all you need to do is offer people AZ! Simples.
Those who haven't had a jab yet can just make their own decision to change it until July when everyone is inoculated, and that just leaves those few who don't want to or are pregnant, and who can just make their own decision.

Pubs won't go for it. They have no need to.

*chance it not change it

@SidSparrow

Yes and they still are nutters

Why would you decimate an economy for that reason.

It is ridiculous.

Vaccines are not compulsory
They are not going to be compulsory
It is up to individual businesses what they do to try and minimise risk to the public and staff.

I hope that vaccines Or testing become compulsory for foreign travel .

As I said I know a family currently of age 25 and parents in 40s that caught it in supermarket ( work) and have all been in hospital and father is extremely ill .trust me this has not gone away yet . It might not affect you personally but have consideration for the bigger picture.

Should just point out - am not Anti vax, have had the vaccine 1st dose myself and volunteered at vaccine centre.

I’m a huge advocate to be vaccinated and stop the spread, but this has so many issues that are wrong...

@RuleWithAWoodenFoot

How are they going to sort out vaccine passports? The ship has sailed on that one. They don't have the wherewithal to sort it out in retrospect- should have been given them with the vaxx.

Just use the NHS App. It can do it.

@areyoumeop

all told to stay at home so we didn't kill granny, turns out granny gets the vaccine and fucks off to the pub with the other grannies- would probably be Spain if they hadn't taken that option away!

Brilliant isn’t it??

^ that was sarcasm by the way. I’d give my vaccination status if I could but I’m not old enough or vulnerable enough to have had it yet. So I’ll just sit at home I guess while all the people I stayed at home to protect go out partying 🙄

@AlecTrevelyan006

First it will be pubs

Then it will be restaurants, cafes, cinemas, clubs, theatres, music venues etc etc etc

Compulsory vaccination and vaccination passports by stealth

Leading to a compulsory id card for all. I saw posters saying this would happen last year. Seems they were right.