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Holidays abroad are illegal from Monday

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Dugee · 22/03/2021 22:10

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9389921/Ban-leaving-UK-amid-new-coronavirus-laws-force-week.html

Along with any other unnecessary travel abroad.

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Suzi888 · 24/03/2021 19:47

Going to be ALOT of weddings this year!

Willowandrose · 24/03/2021 20:07

Have a look at human rights law to understand the real impact. Don’t listen to the media.

AnaofBroceliande · 24/03/2021 20:10

@bumbleymummy

So you don’t think that having a significant number of immune people in the population - after infection and vaccinating the most vulnerable groups - is going to make any difference?
Apparently not. And the 'loopholes', well, they are part of the rules/law/whatever, too. If people use them, so be it. I don't find it necessary having had two doses of the vaccine and only visiting those who have as well and I have a second home abroad and some probate matters regarding that home and other assets that must be sorted in person within 6 months of my father's death so I'll be going. Am also a dual national who isn't in a hurry to come back here to dispense with the other property just yet. If people don't like that, I really don't care.
AnaofBroceliande · 24/03/2021 20:11

@Willowandrose

Have a look at human rights law to understand the real impact. Don’t listen to the media.
People CBA'd. It's all, OMG, COVID!
AnaofBroceliande · 24/03/2021 20:12

Whilst there, my kids will get to see the dentist/orthodontist, get the MenB jabs for free, I can get my hair and nails done, might even have some Botox.

angela99999 · 24/03/2021 20:16

@Stratfordplace

Freedom is being eroded. I find it disturbing.
No, freedom is not being eroded, deaths are being avoided. Get real, these limitations are temporary and necessary.
angela99999 · 24/03/2021 20:25

@Viviennemary

Good. People move around far too much these days. It's not necessary.
True. On simply environmental grounds this is not all bad.
TooManyPlatesInMotion · 24/03/2021 20:37

Well said @puffler.

Eowyn78 · 24/03/2021 20:41

Freedoms are being eroded, but a lot more subtlety than you think.
We need to be savvy on this issue. We need to be wise enough to know when restrictions are in place to protect public health e.g limited foreign travel during a pandemic, and when they are being abused e.g. rights to protest peacefully, or increased CCTV.
If the government continues certain restrictions once the whole adult population has been vaccinated, then we can kick off.

ddl1 · 24/03/2021 20:55

Freedoms are being eroded, but a lot more subtlety than you think.
We need to be savvy on this issue. We need to be wise enough to know when restrictions are in place to protect public health e.g limited foreign travel during a pandemic, and when they are being abused e.g. rights to protest peacefully, or increased CCTV.
If the government continues certain restrictions once the whole adult population has been vaccinated, then we can kick off.

Absolutely!

I don't think that the words 'Priti Patel' and 'civil liberties' belong in the same sentence. But I also don't think that restrictions based on preventing uncontrollable spread of the virus are against human rights (unless they're made permanent when no longer needed). The virus is against human rights.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 24/03/2021 21:19

Absolutely that. Let’s not forget that this is the government that ‘pro-rogued’ Parliament for their own purposes and still managed to get elected after that. I absolutely have concerns about the Johnson government and civil liberties but public health responses to a global pandemic don’t feature highly on that.

If our government take advantage of those to permanently reduce our civil liberties then that is an issue, but it isn’t the restrictions themselves it the dodgy people we elected even though all the signs were there before the last election.

lifeturnsonadime · 24/03/2021 21:24

I agree with the above to an extent but having exemptions that favour the cronies and donors are already testing the degree to which the public will tolerate inequitable restrictions of freedom.

It appears the public health need doesn't apply to all.

What is it about second home owners, that ensures that they won't return and spread the virus but the rest of us would? I know you can argue it is a numbers game, but it takes very few people to potentially spread a new variant.

Familyshopper · 24/03/2021 21:30

[quote MagentaZebras]@Familyshopper it's in the legislation.[/quote]
Where I’ve looked on the government website I can’t see anything, are you referring to people being able to see the kids if they have a court order

Xenia · 24/03/2021 21:38

We cannot square the circle on these threads. Since March 2020 I and my NHS doctor sibling have both thought as have many that we sacrificed the young for the old, breached human rights and made the wrong decisions. Yet I do understand many people take a totally opposite view.

stopgap · 24/03/2021 21:55

@Parker231, this with humongous bells on.

I am absolutely sick of overseas travel being solely framed as a bender on a Spanish beach. I live in the US, haven’t seen my parents in 15 months (we usually see each other three times a year) and it’s nothing short of devastating. All they want is to be reunited with me and their grandchildren, and after they’ve had their second dose of the vaccine—current legislation and general b/a aside—there’s no reason that this could not happen.

ellyeth · 24/03/2021 22:10

It's been a year, and now there are warnings that lockdown may be imposed again if there's a third wave - and then what? a fourth wave? So from being an "interim, temporary measure" this seems to be turning into the norm. A woman was on TV the other day saying that masks and social distancing will, in any event, probably be needed for the next few years!

This isn't really a life is it? It is one thing to try to prevent crowds of people milling around in close proximity to one another and quite another to say you can't meet your friends or your family - especially when there appears to be no real end in sight and warnings that, even if it is held back for a while, Covid may well return in the autumn/winter months.

And what happened to the assurance that if people were patient and compliant, once the vaccine had been widely taken up everything would be OK. Even that is changing now - because there are likely to be "variants", the vaccine doesn't offer full protection, we don't know how long it provides immunity, etc. etc.

Perhaps there should be more concentration on ensuring that people have decent, dry and warm homes to live in, decent food to eat and opportunities for fresh air and exercise so that they are more likely to be able to withstand the worse effects of any illness. Apparently £37 billion was spent on an ineffective track and trace system. That would have gone a long way to providing these essentials.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 24/03/2021 22:27

Using the 37 billion to provide an effective track and trace system would have been better. With some of it spent on making sure people could afford to self isolate.

The problem with trying to square the circle on these threads is that largely the people against the lockdown strategy are also against the strategies that would have prevented repeated lockdowns. I don’t think the fact that we took the wrong course at the start of last year is up for debate. That’s something that we need to look at. But we don’t seem to be doing a huge amount to be changing that. The two options remain very much the same as at the start of last year and we’re still picking the suppression one rather than the elimination (very low covid one).

Switching might just get back a lot of those jobs for the under 35s that are lost by opening up the internal hospitality parts of the economy. I don’t think the elderly and vulnerable have been saved tbh. The majority of the 120-150k covid deaths were preventable by the government taking different actions.

notimagain · 24/03/2021 22:36

The other issue here, as Puffler mentioned a while back upthread, is stopping overseas travel completely TFN sounds like the easiest thing in the world to do but it could have a massive impact on many people and the households of anybody employed in what I'll loosely term the "travel industry"...it will also be a hit on the Uk exchequer.

There's a whole bunch of UK companies who I suspect have been hanging on by a thread in the hope and making deals with the banks in the hope that travel will return this summer..keep kicking that can down the road because some wish to be "completely safe" or be "covid zero" and there will be some fairly eye watering consequences......

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 24/03/2021 22:55

The problem is that kicking it down the road doesn’t necessarily make it safer and won’t save the travel industry.

Might be better to get to a point where you could get pubs, clubs, theatres and mass gathering events open and support the travel industry rather than supporting everything elseand still not saving everything else and still having to support the travel industry. The latter will have a much bigger impact on the treasury. And the longer we keep having to furlough people for the worse it gets.

notimagain · 24/03/2021 23:11

Might be better to get to a point where you could get pubs, clubs, theatres and mass gathering events open and support the travel industry

I think that will then raise the issue of whether there is actually any will to support the travel industry and I'm not sure HMG will really want to address that question..

What I do know is if the current state of affairs continues for much longer it'll be no good people whinging in a year or two that they have no choice but to fly to the Med with a European carrier, go the States with an American carrier, or go to Far east/oz and beyond with one of the Middle East three, quite possibly transiting Dubai, which I know isn't a popular idea with some around here.

Still, reducing travel is a good thing - Right?

TinselTinsel · 25/03/2021 00:35

@Wellbythebloodyhell

It will be illegal to fart soon 🙄
Jeez I'll be in prison for life then with no chance of parole lol
MercyBooth · 25/03/2021 00:40

It's been a year, and now there are warnings that lockdown may be imposed again if there's a third wave - and then what

The gaslighting and bullying and now the extra bullying over vaccines is ensuring that compliance for lockdown 4 would be through the floor.

AnaofBroceliande · 25/03/2021 00:56

Still, reducing travel is a good thing - Right?

Yes, definitely! Britain wouldn't be what it is if others hadn't travelled, such a bad thing. Why didn't they just stay at home, the Romans, the Saxons, the Danes, the beaker people to all the way to Dal Riada, whoever it was how got that Whitby jet necklace to Kilmartin between 3-5k years ago, the Normans, cause a genetic bottleneck, those are great things indeed!

Why weren't they all just locking down, for any disease? Still kept going round trading, raiding, bringing over the advances they did. Inventing things they brought over, implementing them. What selfish, irresponsible arseholes!

Seriously, ban travel! It's BAD.

AnaofBroceliande · 25/03/2021 00:59

Even now, fuck all those drivers and pilots bringing vital goods. We need to close our borders! We were perfectly capable of sustaining ourselves. Absolutely.

Oh, wait . . .

Iflyaway · 25/03/2021 01:04

I read today sex is illegal too. Grin

Wouldn't know that from all the posts on here...

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