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Can this be true? Tons of people lying to get vaccine.

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NaturalBlondeYeahRight · 21/03/2021 14:59

My mum has just told me that my dodgy cousin (about 30) has just had his vaccine with all of his builder mates by lying and saying they are ‘unpaid carers’ on the nhs website. She said no one bothered to check any of them.
Firstly, how bloody outrageous of them pulling the wool over the vaccine centres eyes and secondly, why isn’t their any check, however minor?
I know we all need to get done eventually but this has really pissed me off.

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JeanClaudeVanDammit · 21/03/2021 16:26

I don’t know anyone who has done or is doing it. People can be cunts though, so I don’t doubt it’s happening. I’m just consoling myself with the thought that if they’re being bellends about this they were probably being bellends about following lockdown rules too so hopefully this is taking some people who were at risk of being major spreaders out of circulation. I’ll just keep waiting on.

x2boys · 21/03/2021 16:26

That was very innovative of the pharmacy @Walkingwounded! But your right every shot in the arm helps protect the wider community, I hope not to many vaccines went unused .

pinkearedcow · 21/03/2021 16:26

@Kazkepper123

Unlikely as the majority of the people don’t want to get a vaccine
Eh? Take up is high. The figures vary, but even the lowest take up rate in vaccine-hesitant groups is about 60%

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833

LimitIsUp · 21/03/2021 16:27

The following article was in the Sunday Times today:

"Vaccination centres are detecting rising numbers of queue-jumpers as Britain prepares to face a four-week jab drought. Officials say people pose as care or health workers to cheat their way to an early jab.

They fear fraudulent bookings will soar before next month’s slower rollout. When cheats are caught, vaccination slots that could have gone to people entitled to a jab are wasted.

Last Wednesday, the day that news emerged of a “significant reduction” in vaccine supply in April, the number of people booking appointments doubled.

There were 708,927 first and second dose jab appointments booked on Wednesday compared with 305,087 on Tuesday. Vaccines are being held up by production problems and a surge in Covid-19 cases in India, which wants to keep more of its supply at home.

Anyone can fraudulently book a jab on the national booking website by ticking a box to say they work in health or social care or provide “personal care” for people in their homes. The NHS insists those who do this but “do not bring official proof” to their appointment “will not be vaccinated”.

But officials say the loophole means rising numbers are trying to exploit a system that is “open to abuse”. Some sites are catching 15 queue-jumpers a day and fear that more are slipping through.

One pharmacist said he has been forced to call the police three times because of the threat of violence when turning fraudsters away. Others say the open nature of the national booking system has sparked an “ethical struggle” at vaccination centres.

They face a “difficult balance” between wanting to avoid wasted doses or appointment slots and rigorously checking ID cards and employment details.

Bhaveen Patel, who runs a Covid-19 vaccination clinic in Brixton, south London, turns away at least 15 queue-jumpers each day.

He said: “We’re getting a lot more people claiming to be unpaid carers now.”

Patel said many are surprised to be turned away for not having evidence to support their employment claims. “We’ve had to call the police a few times because of it. We’ve had people shouting, screaming, swearing.”

One man in his thirties, who works for Ocado but was posing as a social care worker, threatened violence until his girlfriend persuaded him to leave before police arrived.

Patel said he “understood their frustration”, but feared he and his staff would get into trouble if they began vaccinating queue-jumpers who were not eligible. He said he was grateful to the police who had “defused” crisis moments when his staff had exposed queue-jumpers.

But he said it was a “sad” trend, because the slots allocated to those turning up on false pretences were then left “wasted”, when legitimate patients could have been vaccinated. Patel also said the confrontations were “upsetting” for other people waiting patiently for their jab.

“We’re fully booked every day,” he said. “And then when you’ve got to turn people away — those are appointments that other people needed, in their sixties, in their seventies.”

Patel said officials at other vaccine sites had told him they were “in the same boat”. He said the system was “open to abuse” and added: “I think the checking of ID should be done at the website stage.”

A health official in Greater Manchester suggested the problems were at mass vaccination centres and pharmacy-led sites: “You don’t tend to see it in rural areas or smaller, GP-led sites.”

Ash Soni, who leads a Covid-19 vaccination clinic in Streatham, south London, said he had dozens of restaurant, retail and off-licence workers posing as social care workers every week.

A former president of the Royal Pharmaceutical Society, he suspected that some of the recent no-shows his clinic had seen were people who had heard his clinic was checking ID papers.

A woman caught trying to jump the queue turned out to be a mother who had “put herself down as a carer for her children”, Soni recalled. “I said, ‘Oh, are your children quite unwell then?’ She responded, ‘No, no — they’re fine. I’m a housewife, so I’m a carer.”

When Soni explained that her booking was fraudulent, she became “extremely apologetic”. He has also seen a “significant number” of no-shows in recent days because of concerns over side-effects. Some who learn they are going to have the AstraZeneca jab “walk back out again”.

Soni believes some queue-jumpers are motivated by the need to prove they have had a jab if they wish to go on holiday abroad this summer.

NHS England said: “Frontline health and social care workers booking a vaccination appointment on the national booking system are clearly informed that they must bring proof of eligibility to the vaccination site during the booking process.

“There is no evidence that significant numbers of people are lying several times in an effort to jump the queue.

“Those who are unable to prove they work in a qualifying role will be turned away and the vaccine offered to eligible people on a clinic’s reserve list. Ultimately, the most important point is that 23 million people have already had their vaccine.”

@AndrewGregory

Redsquirrel5 · 21/03/2021 16:27

This explains why I still haven’t had mine yet( booked now for next week) I am in my sixties, asthmatic, high blood pressure and an erratic immune system and when I spoke to my GP he told me to sign up for the Govt one because he couldn’t tell me when I would be offered a surgery one. I have to travel 35 miles and it is an evening slot and my second one is booked for another town 45 miles away and evening.
DH is older than me by a few years had his weeks ago and got a GP one (day after NHS )so could go locally 9 miles away.

I am just glad to have it but it is unfair to lie about it. I do think public sector employees should be given it. I was working in public sector until 6 month ago. I was very frightened of catching it as I have had several episodes where I have needed oxygen due to asthma or allergic reactions.

StarcourtMall · 21/03/2021 16:28

Well I’ve just gone on and booked my jab on the back of this thread. I am carer for my DD who has already had her vaccine due to her vulnerabilities but my GP receptionist wouldn’t register me as a carer as I don’t receive CA. I tried to argue with her but she was having none of it. I have a Carers card and PIP letter I can take.

scentedgeranium · 21/03/2021 16:28

I missed a trick. I'm my parents' back up carer, authorised by their GP in the first Lockdown to come and go from their house to help them. Nothing flagged for me! Thankfully I got mine by dint of age last week. but perhaps I should have pushed for it earlier? Didn't occur to me which is silly really

UnderwaterSymphony · 21/03/2021 16:31

I had to take ID, and I am CEV and was invited a while ago in January.

I was asked if I had an unpaid carer who needed a vaccine, and could have said someone in my family, but I don't need a carer 100% of the time, just very occasionally when I am really poorly. Said no.

Also had to take my letter and text etc.

UnderwaterSymphony · 21/03/2021 16:32

@scentedgeranium what country are you in when your GP "authorises" you being a back up carer? That's very odd.

Quaversplease · 21/03/2021 16:33

@Kazkepper123

Unlikely as the majority of the people don’t want to get a vaccine
Don't be ridiculous. Already 50% of adults have had their 1st dose and we're continuing at a rate of 3/4m jabs per day. So how does that mean the majority don't want it?
Againstmachine · 21/03/2021 16:34

I ought to try it.

I work a company subcontracting in a hospital building, come in contact with NHS staff, we have asked for vaccine and been refused, they don't care about us as we arent NHS but may do if we all go down with covid and the buildings facilities stop working.

I have a NHS badge so could try but I am not queue jumping.

M1551nglink · 21/03/2021 16:34

This is why I'm getting increasingly anxious that at 59 I haven't had my jab yet. If people keep jumping the queue and there's a potential shortage then I'm afraid that although I agree that as many people as possible should be vaccinated I have to live with an increased risk of serious illness for longer Sad

willibald · 21/03/2021 16:37

We didn't register at all, are in Scotland, and my h got called for it and he's 43. We are unregistered carers, though. We don't claim CA for our son due to being in work. I got it for being over 50.

CovidCorvid · 21/03/2021 16:37

I know someone who was flagged by their GP as a carer for his wife so got a vaccine in group 6. But bizarrely his wife’s condition doesn’t get her a vaccine early so she’s having to wait till she gets it on age! 🤷‍♀️

Don’t blame him for having it though at all.

SleepingStandingUp · 21/03/2021 16:37

@M1551nglink

This is why I'm getting increasingly anxious that at 59 I haven't had my jab yet. If people keep jumping the queue and there's a potential shortage then I'm afraid that although I agree that as many people as possible should be vaccinated I have to live with an increased risk of serious illness for longer Sad
What group are you?
Colourmylife1 · 21/03/2021 16:37

@BorisJohnsonsSocks my son has just joined the Navy but hasn’t been given the vaccination and has not heard of any plans to receive it.

Sleepyblueocean · 21/03/2021 16:38

"The online form says you need to be a carer for someone who would be at high risk if they caught COVID (aka CEV)"

High risk is CV. CEV is highest risk.

Lentillover1900 · 21/03/2021 16:39

[quote AvaCallanach]@BuggerBognor

When my GP and I discussed it the criteria was caring for a disabled or elderly person who would be significantly and disproportionately impacted if you (carer) were to become ill or be hospitalised.[/quote]
Surely this should apply to single parents with young children

NailsNeedDoing · 21/03/2021 16:39

The government caused this problem by telling some people that they were so essential to the running of the country that they were ‘keyworkers’, and had to continue to go out to work throughout all the lockdowns, and then not bothering to prioritise them when it comes to vaccines.

It might be wrong, but honestly, I can’t think badly of supermarket workers, refuse collectors, school staff, builders, police etc who cheat the system, because the system cheated them first.

Greyrootszerohoots · 21/03/2021 16:40

What classes as an unpaid carer? My husband is CEV and receives PIP. At times he is dependent on me, but I’ve never thought of myself as a carer. Perhaps some of these people are in a similar situation?

dividedwefall · 21/03/2021 16:40

@NaturalBlondeYeahRight

My mum has just told me that my dodgy cousin (about 30) has just had his vaccine with all of his builder mates by lying and saying they are ‘unpaid carers’ on the nhs website. She said no one bothered to check any of them. Firstly, how bloody outrageous of them pulling the wool over the vaccine centres eyes and secondly, why isn’t their any check, however minor? I know we all need to get done eventually but this has really pissed me off.
I know people that have lied to get the vaccine early. It's amazing that some people are lying for it and others are praying the invitation never arrives. What a world!
LemmysAceCard · 21/03/2021 16:41

Yep DPs friend in his 30s lied to say he worked in a care home at weekends, he doesn’t at all. Just seen on Facebook that his 18 year old son has just had his vaccine, he must work in the care home too.

goingtotown · 21/03/2021 16:43

Pastanred. 15.13

You’re a teacher?🙄

Sparklfairy · 21/03/2021 16:45

@Sleepyblueocean

My experience has been the opposite - that people who could book automatically because they receive carers allowance and had invitation to vaccine letters with them, were still being asked to provide "proof".
When you book they tell you what to bring. No proof on the list and I would be pissed off if I wasn't told and they expected it on the day.
LittleMissAlmostPerfect · 21/03/2021 16:46

It seems to vary across the country.

My sister is a carer for our mum in her 90s. Being a carer means she drives her to medical appts and does some shopping for her. She is listed with the GP as her carer. The GP surgery managed the vaccine invites and my sister got an invite (she's 57) while it was only over 60s being done at the time.

I had no idea anyone could just tick a box to say they were carer. That seems madness.

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