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London protest

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DogsSausages · 20/03/2021 16:17

Another anti lockdown protest in London, the police will be criticised if they arrest anyone, they cannot win. Why can't people just stay at home, haven't enough people died.

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frumpety · 21/03/2021 09:48

The people who make the decisions don't and won't care how many people take to the streets. I wonder how many of those protesting in London had written to their MP, the person actually voting on the issue on their behalf ?

msbehavin · 21/03/2021 09:57

@Dowser and the many other kind and sensible folk on here who have been so kind as to pledge their support - thank you so much! It gives me hope and fills me with joy to know that not everyone in this country has unthinkingly lapped up the government rhetoric.

@Shelovesamystery - you are absolutely spot on in questioning the 'keeping us/you safe' slogan that fills me with ire and bile every time I read or hear it.

Since when was safety the primary purpose of life?

And safety from what, exactly?

Becoming ill? Dying?

I'm sorry, but both of these things are human certainties. Along with taxes (unless you're Jeff Bezos, of course).

So we're cowering away in our homes, resulting in many people losing their jobs, livelihoods, savings, homes, relationships, friendships, educational opportunities and mental health, because we cannot accept that nature is more powerful than us and people are born to die of disease and old age. All to perpetuate the illusion that we are in control of our own 'safety'.

But we're not. And as long as you believe that, you're trapped in a world of fear, where you can be manipulated and controlled by those who promise you the safety you crave but can never achieve.

No one wants to die before their time. No one wants to lose the people they love. But I don't see the deaths of very elderly people as a tragedy. I see them as a fact of life. And quite frankly, the vast majority of the people who have died who weren't very elderly, died because they were incredibly unhealthy from obesity or other lifestyle related disease. If our population did not contain so many unhealthy adults, we wouldn't be in the position we are now.

Look beneath the surface at the real issues - why are so many people in this country obese and diabetic? Why are heart disease and diabetes our biggest killers? These diseases cost the NHS billions every year. And they are largely diseases of poverty. Because crap food is the cheapest. Because people who are forced to work long shifts or several shifts back to back to make ends meet, and take several buses to work because public transport is so dire, don't have the energy or time to cook healthy meals and so rely on fast food. Because welfare provision has been cut to the bone and people have to make impossible choices between heating their homes and buying food. Because many people can't afford the gas to heat vegetable soup for dinner and so end up with a McDonald's instead. Because many people are so ground down by their poverty and exhaustion that they have no energy to look after themselves. Because many people are so ground down by their poverty and exhaustion that the only pleasure they have is cigarettes, alcohol or crap food.

And who has built this country that has provided such a wonderful breeding ground for coronavirus? Who has cut NHS funding year after year? Who introduced zero hour contracts, who cut welfare provision, who cut sure start centres and adult education and apprenticeship schemes? Who has set the minimum wage at such a low level that it's impossible to live on? Who allowed people to buy and sell their council properties so that affordable housing has become like gold dust? Who has privatised pretty much everything so that anything designed to benefit the public has become about benefiting shareholders instead?

That's right, the government.

That same government that cares so deeply about 'keeping us safe'.

I rest my case.

BonnieDundee · 21/03/2021 10:03

Anyone who thinks "we" are in the "same boat" is deluded

Cant remember where I read it, it may have been on here but it is a very good analogy- we're all in the same storm. Some of us are in luxury yachts, some of us are in a rowing boat and some of us are clinging to a piece of driftwood.

Sums it up perfectly for me. Those in the luxury yachts should not be preaching to the people clinging to driftwood

FourTeaFallOut · 21/03/2021 10:04

Then why would you link to the marginal increase in cases in zone one as a response to my point that the case load in the UK is down by 7.5%?

Nerdygirl · 21/03/2021 10:04

@MaxNormal

Just because people can't fluently articulate the discomfort and disquiet that the legal restrictions cause them, does not invalidate their feelings.

There is such a tone of snobbery and elitism from much of the criticism of these protests.

Totally agree! Pretty easy to support lockdown in a comfortable house and wfh job but many others don’t have this.

Thankfully there are also many people who can also articulate why they have had enough with the restrictions and the erosion of civil liberties and life as we know it . There are many great examples of that too on this thread.

In my experience when people resort to name calling it’s generally because they are not able to debate and win the argument so just resort to childish names

WouldBeGood · 21/03/2021 10:07

@msbehavin I wholeheartedly agree with you.

I can’t believe it’s taken this long for people to protest in numbers, but I’m glad they have.

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 21/03/2021 10:17

I will be joining subsequent protests. Stupid question - how do you find out they are happening before seeing them on the news @msbehavin?

Selfishnotquitehumans · 21/03/2021 10:18

@FourTeaFallOut
Because the cases are rising in London, where the super spreading protestors travelled to. They'll then travel back home on the trains, risking bringing about a rise in cases where they live too.

Selfishnotquitehumans · 21/03/2021 10:23

@TooManyPlatesInMotion
If you're that keen on showing your contempt for NHS staff and increasing the need for a future lockdown, there's no need to wait for someone else to organise nor the need to travel to London (unless you live there). You could create your own super spreading event wherever you are in the country.

FourTeaFallOut · 21/03/2021 10:23

So, they are coming from places with incredibly low prevalence of the virus to London, where the highest case hits 78/100 000 people - people who you think aren't in the protest in any case - catch covid at an outdoor event, contract it and then rapidly incubate it so quickly as to transmit it to other people on the way home? Is that right?

tangerinelollipop · 21/03/2021 10:24

Half of them don't know what they're protesting about

Some of them may be the rent-a-mob types

We're back to the police having to guard monuments, it's just utterly pathetic

It is. There's nothing 'peaceful' about destroying public property

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 21/03/2021 10:25

[quote Selfishnotquitehumans]@TooManyPlatesInMotion
If you're that keen on showing your contempt for NHS staff and increasing the need for a future lockdown, there's no need to wait for someone else to organise nor the need to travel to London (unless you live there). You could create your own super spreading event wherever you are in the country.[/quote]
Hmm helpful, cheers.

Wildswim · 21/03/2021 10:28

There's been a lot to protest about over the past year.

Inhumane restrictions have left millions isolated, lonely, suicidal, and literally dying alone, in fear, with their loved ones banned from being by their side.

Families have been kept apart and for almost a full year it has been against the law to visit your parents or grandparents for a cup of tea. Or to hug your grandchild.

Children have, unforgiveably, been denied an education. Students have been made to stay in their rooms staring at screens all day and fined £10,000 for meeting up with their friends.

Businesses have been forced to shut down indefinitely and millions have been deprived of the right to earn a living.

Millions have been forced to stay at home in cramped conditions without a garden or outdoor space, suffering record levels of domestic abuse and violence.

We have all been forced to put their lives on hold indefinitely for what the vast majority of people is a mild illness.

All the while we've had media and the Establishment haranguing us, using fear, guilt and shame to keep us compliant and to control us, attempting to divide us and make us judge each other. While constantly changing the goalposts on when and how this can ever end.

It's an utter disgrace.

Selfishnotquitehumans · 21/03/2021 10:30

@FourTeaFallOut

So, they are coming from places with incredibly low prevalence of the virus to London, where the highest case hits 78/100 000 people - people who you think aren't in the protest in any case - catch covid at an outdoor event, contract it and then rapidly incubate it so quickly as to transmit it to other people on the way home? Is that right?
No not right. Some will be from London, others won't. It's not just London that's seen cases rising either. They've travelled to central London, refused to wear masks, mixed freely (and very closely) together, some assaulted the police, then train and/or bus home (sharing with innocent non involved fellow passengers).
GeidiPrimes · 21/03/2021 10:31

Personally I think having our right to protest effectively removed absolutely is something to protest about and thank goodness there are people who agree

This is what worries me too. I did not know about the Stand In A Park, (thanks Dowser) just checked, and there's one in my local park. Missed it today, but will be there next Sunday.

tangerinelollipop · 21/03/2021 10:32

But I don't see the deaths of very elderly people as a tragedy. I see them as a fact of life. And quite frankly, the vast majority of the people who have died who weren't very elderly, died because they were incredibly unhealthy from obesity or other lifestyle related disease

Not this again. Please! Hmm

FourTeaFallOut · 21/03/2021 10:37

I'm not sure you understand this virus. The time between catching the virus and being contagious. The latent stage is typically 3-4 days. It's not six hours.

msbehavin · 21/03/2021 10:39

@TooManyPlatesInMotion

I will be joining subsequent protests. Stupid question - how do you find out they are happening before seeing them on the news *@msbehavin*?
@TooManyPlatesInMotion there are several groups that organise protests through messaging apps such as Telegram and they notify you live as to where to go and when to move on. It's how Extinction Rebellion operates.

I knew about yesterday's protest through word of mouth so I'm not exactly sure who organised it but I think @Dowser might?

Twitter is also a good source of info.

Good for you for getting out on the streets! I wish more people understood that this is about so much more than coronavirus. It's exhausting trying to open the eyes of people who just want to keep sleepwalking.

tangerinelollipop · 21/03/2021 10:40

I will be joining subsequent protests. Stupid question - how do you find out they are happening before seeing them on the news

I don't think MN is the right forum to ask these questions. The brazen agitation that is happening across threads popping up every single day is shameful

EileenGC · 21/03/2021 10:49

No, we are not all in the same boat. Some of us were in bigger boats, some were in luxury yachts and some were in collapsible dinghies bailing for their lives.

Very well said.

msbehavin · 21/03/2021 10:50

@tangerinelollipop

But I don't see the deaths of very elderly people as a tragedy. I see them as a fact of life. And quite frankly, the vast majority of the people who have died who weren't very elderly, died because they were incredibly unhealthy from obesity or other lifestyle related disease

Not this again. Please! Hmm

What about this makes you raise your eyebrows, @tangerinelollipop?

I have said nothing untruthful. I don't understand why people want to keep perpetuating the myth that coronavirus has cut down hundreds of thousands of people in their prime. It hasn't. Yes, many people have died before their time, and that is a great tragedy and sadness. But the vast majority of those people did have serious underlying health conditions that were already negatively impacting their quality of life. That doesn't make their deaths ok, of course, but it does explain why we as a country have had such a large death rate - it's not because people don't comply with rules. It's because we as a country have a very unhealthy adult population in the first place, for the reasons outlined in my post that you've selectively cut this quotation from.

The numbers of younger people who were previously healthy and of a healthy weight who have died are absolutely tiny.

The statistics to prove what I'm saying are all available on the ONS website.

Perhaps you might like to do some research rather than keep trotting out the same old hackneyed coronaclichés that really do warrant the use of Hmm face.

tangerinelollipop · 21/03/2021 10:51

attempting to divide us and make us judge each other

I don't see any of this from the government

Shelovesamystery · 21/03/2021 10:54

@tangerinelollipop

attempting to divide us and make us judge each other

I don't see any of this from the government

Are you joking? Shock
Dowser · 21/03/2021 10:57

@TooManyPlatesInMotion

I will be joining subsequent protests. Stupid question - how do you find out they are happening before seeing them on the news *@msbehavin*?
You join fb groups toomany plates Save our rights uk, which I think has been pulled A stand in the park Save our rights uk Midlands..if the main one goes, look for local ones The freedom alliance Awakened travel End the lockdown Reclaim these streets

There’s more and more new ones springing up all over. Just try a few key words in search..and save whatever you can that you think is relevant, because good stuff is getting pulled all the time.

Also join a few natural health groups because believe me, you are all going to need them
I haven’t seen a dr for 18 months. That doesn’t mean I haven’t needed one, it’s just I know how to treat myself.
I had the toothache from hell last may, when all dentists were shut. I threw all my natural health arsenal at it..and got the pain which was by this time in my ear, down my jaw and into my eye and waking me up at night down from a 10plus to under one within two days.
In fact when I finally got in to see the dentist with a broken tooth which was thankfully not hurting, the pain from the other one had gone. This was just so wrong and minor compared to people who’ve rt operations and cancer treatments cancelled.

Learn as much as you can so you can nip things in the bud .
We all have to take responsibility for ourselves , I’m afraid. In all walks of life.

Here’s a video from a doctor last august who is in the Midlands, telling it how it was. Very few critically ill patients in hospital with covid

www.facebook.com/1348501653/posts/10224926724979222?sfns=mo

Me? Trust governments. No way!

Dowser · 21/03/2021 11:00

@msbehavin
Apparently 350 was the death toll for people under 65 with no co morbidities

www.facebook.com/1514734616/posts/10225374019726852?sfns=mo

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