London protest

[DogsSausages]

Another anti lockdown protest in London, the police will be criticised if they arrest anyone, they cannot win. Why can't people just stay at home, haven't enough people died.

I feel sorry for the NHS workers who'll have to deal with the consequence of these selfish people.

What consequences? Patrick vallence has said theres very little risk to outdoor mixing. That there was no spike from the crowded beaches last summer. That similar protests have produced no spike in numbers

'Oh ffs. Have a look at Europe. This is what happens when restrictions are removed too early'

Indeed, yet a few hapless folk adamant it's all been overegged and they'll continue to have their pal round for Sunday lunch 'as usual' seemingly oblivious to the fact it is behaviour just like this that has dragged the whole thing out.

Off you go protesters! it looks like another fine day to wave your ACAB placards about (whilst running to them if anyone upsets you). Don't forget your flasks and picnic blankets 🙄.

Nobody hasn't seen a surge in the virus because of outdoor protests.

I understand that you don't agree with the protesters opinions, I don't understand why anyone would be so eager to fabricate reasons why they shouldn't have space to express it regardless.

There's currently a surge in Europe as the Kent variant is taking hold. Its got nothing to do with "lifting restrictions early".
Portugal has dropped right down again as they had their recent spike at a similar time to the UK, for instance.

@BonnieDundee

I feel sorry for the NHS workers who'll have to deal with the consequence of these selfish people.

What consequences? Patrick vallence has said theres very little risk to outdoor mixing. That there was no spike from the crowded beaches last summer. That similar protests have produced no spike in numbers

How did all these people get there?

They don't spontaneously arrive at the protest location. They get there and return home on public transport.

And the summer beach and protest crowds happened at a time of low number of cases. They're currently going up, which makes this a very different scenario.

No they aren't. Cases are down 7.5% across the week.

'I understand that you don't agree with the protesters opinions, I don't understand why anyone would be so eager to fabricate reasons why they shouldn't have space to express it regardless'

Half of them don't know what they're protesting about! have you seen some being questioned on the news? They don't know what they're on about other than 'it's gone on too long! it isn’t fair'. It is a day out, something to do, somewhere they can meet up with people yayy. As I've said it's funny how it's happening now the weather is nice. We're back to the police having to guard monuments, it's just utterly pathetic.

Schools have reopened quite painlessly, we're on track number wise for shops etc apr 12th then more opening up in May. There's nothing to protest about. They should put their energy into thanking people like Chris Whitty etc instead of childish 'sack Chris Shitty' whines on Twitter.

@FourTeaFallOut

No they aren't. Cases are down 7.5% across the week.

www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/london-covid-nearly-half-boroughs-20218913

How did all these people get there?

They don't spontaneously arrive at the protest location. They get there and return home on public transport

I dont know. I heard on the news that many walked. Either way if Vallence says that previous similar events.didnt cause spikes I dont see the problem. Presumably people travelled to those as well and didnt just "spontaneously appear" at those either

Just because people can't fluently articulate the discomfort and disquiet that the legal restrictions cause them, does not invalidate their feelings.

There is such a tone of snobbery and elitism from much of the criticism of these protests.

@GetOffYourHighHorse
Without fail every year once the weather gets better, out they come.

There's nothing to protest about.

That's your.opinion. Personally I think having our right to protest effectively removed absolutely is something to protest about and thank goodness there are people who agree

No, I haven't. But it is entirely beside the point.

Democracy is the foundation. It has to uphold certain principles to function. It is precious and increasingly fragile.

The individuals in it, their opinions - good, bad, facile, apathetic - are just the noise within it.

@MLMsuperfan

It's ridiculous to protest against measures that are keeping us safe. Everyone needs to play their part. We're all frustrated, we're all in the same boat.

Safe from what? And who is this us? These measures don't keep me or my family safe from anything. I've had covid, for me it was like a bad cold. I don't need to be kept safe from a bad cold. Neither do the many other people for whom covid is nothing more than a bad cold or even no symptoms at all. I'd like to point you in the direction of the "us" that have no skin in this game but are sacrificing so much.

I really wish people would be a bit more transparent about their motives. Rather than bleating on about keeping "us" safe, I'd rather they were honest and said "I want people to make these sacrifices to keep me safe". But instead they want to call others selfish

And no we are not all in the same boat!! Same storm maybe, but very different boats.

[quote Selfishnotquitehumans]@480Widdio
I have had my vaccine
Lucky you. That's not the case for everyone. How selfish to support a super spreading event from the privilege of being vaccinated.

I would love to have been in London today
If you're so keen on super spreading, why not do it in your own back yard? Nothing saying it has to be London.

I feel sorry for the NHS workers who'll have to deal with the consequence of these selfish people.[/quote]
You are quite right.
There’s a new movement called
A stand in the park
It was started by Australian Brady Gunn . He went to his local park and stood for three months on his own before people joined him.
Now people are doing it in the uk. The Hastings one reported in the press was a stand in the park.

It’s happening every Sunday, 10am till 11
Start one in your local park if there isn’t a designated park nearby you

Oh and I can’t believe we have another two years of this.

That thought is so depressing.

The "we are all in the same boat" argument makes me so angry. We are not. Some of us can work comfortably from home in a decent house with a garden, having lost no income. Hardly in the same boat as the poor deliveroo biker who delivers their fucking takeaways to their nice house. Others have lost everything - income, businesses, support they had for children with additional needs, support networks, access to medical treatment. Many people will not recover from the last 12 months.

Anyone who thinks "we" are in the "same boat" is deluded.

Covid is not the only thing that kills people. Poverty and destruction of life chances do too. Wake up.

Are suggesting that all the protesters came from zone 1 selfishnotquitehumans?

The police said the crowd was over a mile long.
Whoop!
London, I’m proud of you and all the people from all over the uk who made it to there or Manchester.
You did us proud.

www.facebook.com/groups/theukfreedomalliance.co.uk/permalink/799818117583394?sfns=mo

If your anti-lockdown protest starts with a speech from Piers “it’s no worse than flu, was started by Bill Gates or possibly 5G, is all trumped up by government to control you, doesn’t exist anyway, and the vaccines are poisons containing nanochips to track you” Corbyn then you can hardly be surprised when people suspect you of being Covid deniers.

Anyone who thinks "we" are in the "same boat" is deluded

I don't believe anyone really believes this. It's merely a card to tell others to be quiet.

You should be thankful those people are rising up. This needs to happen to ensure we aren't permanently stuck in a cycle of 'lockdown - vaccinate - lockdown - vaccinate' which is the way it's looking with proposals for lockdown rules to now remain until October. These people dont care about the virus, because they have had enough of it. Most people are not at risk of getting seriously ill from it, and now we are at almost 50% vaccination rates but 100% lockdown. It doesnt make sense and it's right to fight back.

@TooManyPlatesInMotion

The "we are all in the same boat" argument makes me so angry. We are not. Some of us can work comfortably from home in a decent house with a garden, having lost no income. Hardly in the same boat as the poor deliveroo biker who delivers their fucking takeaways to their nice house. Others have lost everything - income, businesses, support they had for children with additional needs, support networks, access to medical treatment. Many people will not recover from the last 12 months.

Anyone who thinks "we" are in the "same boat" is deluded.

Covid is not the only thing that kills people. Poverty and destruction of life chances do too. Wake up.

I said this two pages ago and yes I support what you’ve said. As lockdowns go, we’ve had a good one. Just me and dh. Retired , so no work or childcare worries. Out most days to beaches or parks in the beginning or just went on long drives to places like whitby, Scarborough, the lakes etc while the roads were nice and peaceful. Saw family a couple of times a week. Then travelled to our caravan for 4-5 days a week where we had loads of day trips, as you do. We even managed two trips to Tenerife, March and October, all good.

But
That never stopped us from hating our loss of freedom. Seeing what was happening to our society in the name of keeping us ‘ safe’.
Locking up the healthy but meanwhile chucking the elderly and children under a bus.
The complete abolishment of health care . Did anyone need a dentist, osteopath, optician in all of this. There was nothing for months, never mind seeing a doctor.
The detrimental effects of physical health and mental health worsening. Some people will never get over this.
The money wasted on this like mercy booth said.
Your children and my grandchildren will be paying for this for the rest of their lives.

No, we are not all in the same boat. Some of us were in bigger boats, some were in luxury yachts and some were in collapsible dinghies bailing for their lives.

If people such as mlmsuperfan can’t see this , then they are either wind up merchants or they are beyond redemption

@FourTeaFallOut

Are suggesting that all the protesters came from zone 1 selfishnotquitehumans?

Quite the opposite. Definitely not Piers Corbyn, who lives in Dorset. Which is why I mentioned the public transport, mostly trains, they'll have used to travel there and back.

No idea why Piers and chums don't protest in their respective areas.