London protest

[DogsSausages]

Another anti lockdown protest in London, the police will be criticised if they arrest anyone, they cannot win. Why can't people just stay at home, haven't enough people died.

@Wildswim

There's been a lot to protest about over the past year.

Inhumane restrictions have left millions isolated, lonely, suicidal, and literally dying alone, in fear, with their loved ones banned from being by their side.

Families have been kept apart and for almost a full year it has been against the law to visit your parents or grandparents for a cup of tea. Or to hug your grandchild.

Children have, unforgiveably, been denied an education. Students have been made to stay in their rooms staring at screens all day and fined £10,000 for meeting up with their friends.

Businesses have been forced to shut down indefinitely and millions have been deprived of the right to earn a living.

Millions have been forced to stay at home in cramped conditions without a garden or outdoor space, suffering record levels of domestic abuse and violence.

We have all been forced to put their lives on hold indefinitely for what the vast majority of people is a mild illness.

All the while we've had media and the Establishment haranguing us, using fear, guilt and shame to keep us compliant and to control us, attempting to divide us and make us judge each other. While constantly changing the goalposts on when and how this can ever end.

It's an utter disgrace.

Very well said, wildswim Me and Dh have been so lucky In Lockdown with no young children to care for, no elderly parents to worry about, no mortgage or job to worry about, space to move around our home and garden outside and a car to transport us to wherever we want to go but I will fight tooth and nail for people to have what we have had. I would never have survived this alone, or with little ones or in any of the conditions quoted above with my mental health relatively robust and I really feel for those that are just having to tough it out , yes even the selfish ones who would like like this to go on forever..or so it seems.

There’s days I weep for what we have lost and that it probably won’t come back in my lifetime.

I drove through our town last week and our stupid council has wasted our tax money on stupid signs in roundabouts, street lamps , posters with hands, face , space bollox that just gives me the rage.

😡😡😡

This thread seems to be missing the point that this was an international simultaneous set of anti-lockdown protests all over Europe on same day in big/capital cities. The protest march in London wasn't simply about Britain now, it was an international solidarity expression at the wider situation in many places.

I am very put off by people like Piers Corbyn or Toby Young being British 'Leaders' of the anti-Lockdown groups, but still I have a lot of sympathy for the argument that the price we pay for covid controls is too high & not properly deliberated or balanced against harms arising from the Controls.

@tangerinelollipop, here's a list of a few ways the government have turned people against each other during the pandemic:

• mandatory face masks. I mean there is literally someone on this thread calling non mask wearers 'murderers'.
• 'only shop for essentails' - dont you dare buy chocolate! Use cheese in your coffee instead of milk (a genuine MN suggestion)
• vaccine - probably the biggest one. The elderly getting it first sent people into a spin. And just watch how the next lockdown will be blamed on those who aren't vaccinated.
• protesters - if you dare to stand up for something you'll be blamed for the next spike, even though anyone is yet to see any evidence of outdoor protests causing spikes.

I could go on. Wake up! Divide and conquer, the oldest method in the book.

'It's an utter disgrace.'

Well you might say the response to a pandemic is an 'utter disgrace' however these restrictions have been necessary no matter how much you stamp your feet about it.

Get marching anyway quick! don't forget 'ACAB'. Rain forecast next weekend.. the placard wavers seem a bit adverse to unpleasant weather.

Bimbo and himbo whining about a virus. Do they think the virus will listen?

Pity it didn't rain yesterday, that normally keeps them at home.

I agree with them - it’s gone on too long now.

'Apparently 350 was the death toll for people under 65 with no co morbidities'

You do know a pre existing health condition could be mild asthma or type 2 diabetes? Any mild illness infact.

Anyway, many if not most over 65s have full active lives. Why do you think they are all so dispensable?

'I agree with them - it’s gone on too long now.'

🙄

I don’t think over 65s are dispensable.

I just think there are worse things that can happen than dying of covid.

A life half lived, childhoods ruined, poverty, livelihoods ruined, suicides, a mental health pandemic itself.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Apparently 350 was the death toll for people under 65 with no co morbidities'

You do know a pre existing health condition could be mild asthma or type 2 diabetes? Any mild illness infact.

Anyway, many if not most over 65s have full active lives. Why do you think they are all so dispensable?

'I agree with them - it’s gone on too long now.'

🙄

As I’m over 65 myself I don’t.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Apparently 350 was the death toll for people under 65 with no co morbidities'

You do know a pre existing health condition could be mild asthma or type 2 diabetes? Any mild illness infact.

Anyway, many if not most over 65s have full active lives. Why do you think they are all so dispensable?

'I agree with them - it’s gone on too long now.'

🙄

Type 2 diabetes is not a mild illness.

It is, in many sufferers, poorly managed and has a major impact on quality of life. It leads to poor kidney function and poor blood circulation. As such, it is a very serious, life limiting condition for many sufferers. For some it is a mild illness that can be managed through diet. But for many, it makes them very ill indeed and hastens their death.

Deaths from diabetes increased by 70% across the world between 2000-2019. WHO statistic. I suggest you look it up.

The reason why diabetes is on the rise? Unhealthy lifestyles. Type 2 diabetes, the most common type, is, in most cases, lifestyle induced. Obesity is a key factor in the development of type 2 diabetes.

I really suggest you 'educate yourself' (as much as I hate this phrase), because your lack of understanding of any of the actual facts surrounding this debate is preventing you from being able to engage meaningfully in any useful discussion.

I write this as someone who, twenty years ago, watched my grandfather die slowly and painfully from the consequences of poorly managed type 2 diabetes. He had to have both of his feet amputated before he died, as his blood circulation was so bad that his limbs turned gangrenous.

Really not a mild disease. Hence why it is one of the biggest comorbidities associated with coronavirus.

Pesky facts. They do get in the way of a good argument, don't they?

I’d like to spend how ever few years I have left living life to the max
Like my parents did before they checked out..dad at 70 with a fatal heart attack and mum at 88 with dementia for the last 6 years of her life
So Id better get cracking hadn’t i ?

@msbehavin
That was a horrific death your grandad had
I’m so sorry
There are for some people things so much worse than covid.

OK type 2 diabetes can be a mild illness controlled by diet or it can be more serious. Just as asthma can be nothing more than a random cough (me)
But the cadt majority of co morbidities are not tge expected heart disease asthma etc but things like broken bones, female genital prolapse, dermatitis etc etc. It can be anything.

Sirry missed a but. Or require several hospital admissions but fir the data it is the same.

Apologies atrocious typing.
73% other

@getoffyourhighhorse and do you think more restrictions are necessary going forward? With so many vaccinated? Or do you agree we need to be locked down until October, and then probably again. Where does it end? How far can this go? These people are scared for their freedom, their livelihood and their rights. Are those not 'necessary'?

@Northernsoulgirl45

OK type 2 diabetes can be a mild illness controlled by diet or it can be more serious. Just as asthma can be nothing more than a random cough (me) But the cadt majority of co morbidities are not tge expected heart disease asthma etc but things like broken bones, female genital prolapse, dermatitis etc etc. It can be anything.

The 'vast majority' of comorbidities are 'broken bones, female genital prolapse, dermatitis, etc'?

Where did you find this information, please? Could you link to your source?

Because WHO and the ONS list the most common comorbidities as, unsurprisingly, diabetes, cancer, heart, liver and kidney disease, obesity, hypertension and dementia. All serious health conditions that were already in the process of killing the sufferers.

Your kind of misinformation is what is fuelling paranoia and fear amongst healthy people. There are always outliers with any disease. There will always be a small handful of people who die very unexpectedly from a disease that should have been mild for them, but to which their body reacted in an unusual way. That is very sad and very frightening, but it is not common. For the vast majority of healthy people, the coronavirus is a mild illness. The vast majority of people who have died were already suffering from severe underlying illness. Even if their families claimed they were healthy - when you look at the photos, you can see these people were overweight or obese, which often carries with it hypertension and type 2 diabetes. Many people's perception of 'healthy' is very wide of the mark. 50% of the adult population are obese or overweight in the UK. Sadly it has become so common to be overweight that it's not even recognised as a serious health issue anymore. Which it is. And which is why our death rates from coronavirus have been so high. Not because people haven't followed the rules.

[quote Dowser]@msbehavin
That was a horrific death your grandad had
I’m so sorry
There are for some people things so much worse than covid.[/quote]
Thanks @Dowser. It really was. People's misconception of diabetes as a minor illness really irks me as I know the reality.

Keep up the good fight!

www.bandolier.org.uk/booth/Risk/dyingage.html

According to this, my chance of dying in the next year (not from Covid) is 1 in 1106.

It was a Twitter feed with a link to ONS .

It isn't about scaring people either. It is a sad fact that most middle aged people have collected a pre existing condition or more.
Ignoring the deaths of anyone without a pre existing condition is equally dangerous.

twitter.com/DrDomPimenta/status/1342960199905239040?s=20

It has all the links there.

'I really suggest you 'educate yourself' (as much as I hate this phrase), because your lack of understanding of any of the actual facts surrounding this debate is preventing you from being able to engage meaningfully in any useful discussion.'

No need to be so patronising. I'll engage as and when I like thanks. I could say the same to you, I find your hyperbole quite silly tbh.

My comment about type 2 diabetes was in response to a pp saying 'only 365 under 65 without any pre existing conditions had died'. I mentioned asthma and type 2 diabetes as many under 65 have these. There seems to be this myth that it is only frail end of life 90 year olds that have died.

'do you think more restrictions are necessary going forward? With so many vaccinated? Or do you agree we need to be locked down until October'

Schools have opened, didn't you know? None essential shops apr 12th. Who has said we need to be locked down until oct? Have you been listening to the day trippers/protesters?

Well as I want to live before I die and as I didn’t feel too grand yesterday
I’m going to have a good old flock and a flout this afternoon
Whitby? Scarborough? York
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Anywhere, where’s theres like minded souls out enjoying the sunshine and fresh maskless air..and you can get a takeaway cuppa and a slice of cake!

Sorry don't do twitter myself so trying again
twitter.com/DrDomPimenta/status/1343137061604306945?s=20