Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Covid

Mumsnet doesn't verify the qualifications of users. If you have medical concerns, please consult a healthcare professional.

London protest

440 replies

DogsSausages · 20/03/2021 16:17

Another anti lockdown protest in London, the police will be criticised if they arrest anyone, they cannot win. Why can't people just stay at home, haven't enough people died.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
6
MercyBooth · 21/03/2021 17:42

I didn't see them out in January or February

There wasnt news of a varient/surge in Europe then.
Last time there was big concern about a new varient it culminated in the sensationalist 19th December press conference which cancelled Christmas despite them saying the November lockdown was to enable people to see their families, THEN at that same conference it was "you can have Christmas at Easter" IMO the protesters are only going by past experience I suspect they think the dates will be moved again.

WouldBeGood · 21/03/2021 17:42

I think let’s get back to normal is the only sensible thing to do now

FourTeaFallOut · 21/03/2021 17:43

Jesus. Hmm All of that from an outdoor protest when our countrywide prevalence stands at 50something/100 000 people in the population? And now the hospitals are swamped and a new variant is killing the children? Really?

And ebola?

Are we playing bingo here?

tangerinelollipop · 21/03/2021 17:47

As I’m over 65 myself

Dowser people in your situation should be grateful that the government is rolling out the vaccination programme so fast in order to get us out of this mess as soon as possible. Instead, you instigate unrest so that they have no choice but to extend the lockdown. I'm puzzled by your attitude TBH

MercyBooth · 21/03/2021 17:47

@msbehavin Whats your opinion on the blaming of the public some NHS workers have been doing on Twitter?

tangerinelollipop · 21/03/2021 17:48

Are they suggesting that covid will go away if we pretend it's not there

They seem to be, yes.

FourTeaFallOut · 21/03/2021 17:49

This is ridiculous. I actually think lockdown has been the least worst option until now (although I have sympathy for those who oppose the extension of the emergency lockdown legislation for a further six months) but I really despair at the rhetoric and fantasy which is being fabricated by those who disagree with the protests. This is madness.

User133847 · 21/03/2021 17:55

@MercyBooth

I didn't see them out in January or February There wasnt news of a varient/surge in Europe then. Last time there was big concern about a new varient it culminated in the sensationalist 19th December press conference which cancelled Christmas despite them saying the November lockdown was to enable people to see their families, THEN at that same conference it was "you can have Christmas at Easter" IMO the protesters are only going by past experience I suspect they think the dates will be moved again.
There's nothing to suggests the dates will be moved and if they are then that would be the time to protest. Why now?

The problem with the 19th December announcement was it was weeks too late because people pleaser Boris didn't want to upset the kind of folk who were out protesting yesterday.

The government messed everything up last year, so far this year they've been sensible. The January lockdown had to happen, the vaccine roll out is going well and we have a phased return to more normality (starting with the schools back earlier in the month and more in another week and then just after Easter).

Protesting now seems utterly pointless tbh. The road-map has been laid out and is sensible. As I say, if they move away from it (which I don't think they will anyway) then I could understand people kicking off then.

WouldBeGood · 21/03/2021 17:55

I’ll instigate unrest with you @Dowser 😃

I’m terrified my older years are being taken from me in the name of keeping safe. I want to love my life, not exist.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 21/03/2021 17:57

'Instead, you instigate unrest so that they have no choice but to extend the lockdown. I'm puzzled by your attitude TBH'

Proud to be a flouter. Maybe they have a badge.

The pp who said there wasn’t news of variants in Jan or surges in Europe, they had indeed identified variants Jan/Feb and Germany was reporting similar numbers and sad deaths to us in Jan. Difference was it was cold and dark so mingling with pals under the guise of 'protesting' wasn't quite as inviting then. They'll stop once pubs open and they've something to do on a weekend.

FourTeaFallOut · 21/03/2021 18:00

They'll stop once pubs open and they've something to do on a weekend

To be fair, you have them boxed in a corner there. Grin I imagine a great many more people will feel less angst against the status quo once life returns to a closer approximation to normal - when the pubs will be open.

User133847 · 21/03/2021 18:04

@FourTeaFallOut

They'll stop once pubs open and they've something to do on a weekend

To be fair, you have them boxed in a corner there. Grin I imagine a great many more people will feel less angst against the status quo once life returns to a closer approximation to normal - when the pubs will be open.

It was exactly the same last summer. All kinds of street protests and trouble (always on a Saturday afternoon) which mysteriously stopped when the pubs opened up.
FourTeaFallOut · 21/03/2021 18:11

That's not mysterious. By the time pubs are open, far more workplaces are open, people are allowed out of their houses, they can see their friends and family, life is more secure and optimistic. I don't think pubs have the pacifying qualities that you credit them with.

WouldBeGood · 21/03/2021 18:13

It’s ridiculous that any questioning of draconian removal of simple rights is just dismissed as people wanting to go to the pub.

Though I am very much looking forward to the pub.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 21/03/2021 18:14

'It was exactly the same last summer. All kinds of street protests and trouble (always on a Saturday afternoon) which mysteriously stopped when the pubs opened up'

Yes its so transparent. Fair weathered marching only.

'I imagine a great many more people will feel less angst against the status quo once life returns to a closer approximation to normal - when the pubs will be open.'

Well no, because they'll still get their knickers in a knot about their 'civil liberties being curtailed' when they have to still socially distance, wear face covers and have vaccine evidence before travelling. Thing is they won't be arsed to march about it once they can go back to Wetherspoons.

FourTeaFallOut · 21/03/2021 18:20

Well, if they do I can't blame them. As of six posts ago all I can think about now is a cold pint in a sunny beer garden.

msbehavin · 21/03/2021 18:21

[quote MercyBooth]@msbehavin Whats your opinion on the blaming of the public some NHS workers have been doing on Twitter?[/quote]
I was very sorry to read of your personal situation @MercyBooth. I hope that you have a support network because I understand fully how challenging the lockdown has been for so many. As a teacher I've seen so much suffering going on behind closed doors. The psychological impact of lockdown is going to be felt for years to come. People who dismiss the lockdown as 'just staying at home watching Netflix FFS' have absolutely no idea what hell lies in some people's homes.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - this lockdown serves many purposes. Divide and conquer being one of them. Every day I see one of the government endorsed guilt trip posters - 'look them in the eye and tell them you stayed at home' or whatever nonsense the slogan says - as I walk past on my way to the petri dish that is my classroom. How is it my personal fault that someone else is dying of a virus I may have inadvertently passed on to them in the supermarket, having caught it from a child in the classroom I'm forced to work in with no protection other than a bit of cloth on my face? What kind of logic is this?

NHS workers crying into their cameraphones saying we're all murderers and have blood on our hands, for going to the supermarket, which we can't help doing, because most of us can't get an online shop delivered for love nor money.

It's all part of the very successful media campaign supported by the government, who pays behavioural psychologists to help them understand how to manipulate us, I might add - to get us turning on one another in our rush to apportion blame rather than looking to them and how they and their predecessors have systematically dismantled our infrastructure of public services over the past decades, resulting in us having a healthcare service that collapses every winter, a population of unhealthy people due to a lack of investment in said healthcare services, one in three children living in poverty in our capital city and people queueing outside food banks because they can't afford to feed themselves and their children.

As long as most of the masses continue to believe that the reason we're in this mess is because Doris next door had her granddaughter round for tea last week, then we're all on our way to hell in a handcart.

The easiest way to take power from people is to convince them that their neighbours are the enemy. And for those of you who think I'm just talking nonsense, and that the government is looking out for us, and that it wouldn't be possible to take away people's civil rights in a democracy, I simply point you to Germany in 1933. They didn't see it coming either.

msbehavin · 21/03/2021 18:41

@FourTeaFallOut

Well, if they do I can't blame them. As of six posts ago all I can think about now is a cold pint in a sunny beer garden.
Right there with you.

I'm sure those on this thread who think people being out and about yesterday in crowds are selfish murderers, won't be thinking twice about meeting friends and family outside for a drink or meal on April 12th, the arbitrary date the government has decided it will be safe to do so. So, on April 11th, something I could be arrested for suddenly becomes totally fine on the stroke of midnight. Amazing, isn't it? Almost like a fairy story. The government can do magic now, too. How blessed we are in our mighty leaders.

So Covid doesn't care about our civil liberties, but it does care about adhering to the government's roadmap. It'll make sure it'll bugger off just when we all want to eat out to help out. What a clever virus it is. And of course anyone who passes the virus on having had a drink outside a pub on April 12th won't be a murderer, because the government said it was safe. That will just be unfortunate. But if you met someone outside on April 11th? Off you go to be hung, drawn and quartered.

While at the same time I'm allowed to teach 100 children a day and share a staffroom with 50 other adults. Anyone else mixing with that many people a day would be considered a murderer, according to some of the people on this thread. But the government says it's fine, so...

The lack of logic demonstrated by so many is so unbelievably depressing. I really do feel like I'm living inside Nineteen Eighty Four.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 21/03/2021 18:42

'Well, if they do I can't blame them. As of six posts ago all I can think about now is a cold pint in a sunny beer garden.'

3 weeks to go. So why bother protesting 🙄

Meanwhile scenes from Bristol of people spraying a police van, trying to push it on it's side and shrieking ACAB. So impressive! They'll of course all be sobbing and posting photos on twitter when they get arrested.

FourTeaFallOut · 21/03/2021 18:43

I'm not protesting - no need to be pissy with me

GetOffYourHighHorse · 21/03/2021 18:50

Well not you personally, you generally as in those who are having a day out/protesting. Do you approve of the graffiti on police vehicles and ACAB chants?

'So, on April 11th, something I could be arrested for suddenly becomes totally fine on the stroke of midnight. Amazing, isn't it? Almost like a fairy story. The government can do magic now, too. How blessed we are in our mighty leaders.'

Honestly you really do like flowery creative writing. 'Almost like a fairy story' Confused. They've explained this several times. Here I'll do it again for you. They set out 5 weeks between each stage to allow data gathering you see. Now I s'pose they could open pubs on the 11th you're right it wouldn't make any difference but then you'd say why not the 10th, then why not the 9th etc etc etc. HTH.

LunaHeather · 21/03/2021 18:51

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Well, if they do I can't blame them. As of six posts ago all I can think about now is a cold pint in a sunny beer garden.'

3 weeks to go. So why bother protesting 🙄

Meanwhile scenes from Bristol of people spraying a police van, trying to push it on it's side and shrieking ACAB. So impressive! They'll of course all be sobbing and posting photos on twitter when they get arrested.

I thought that was about the policing bill?
tangerinelollipop · 21/03/2021 18:55

I simply point you to Germany in 1933

Why do some keep going on about this nonsense?

I will in turn point you to the Russian Revolution 1917. Do people genuinely believe that unruly violent protests will lead us to Nirvana? The naivety on this thread is worrying

FourTeaFallOut · 21/03/2021 18:56

My approval - or lack of it - is irrelevant. Criminality should be dealt with and people should be allowed to protest.

tangerinelollipop · 21/03/2021 18:57

Do you approve of the graffiti on police vehicles and ACAB chants

Those who vandalise public or private property should be made to pay for the damages (public property belongs to each of us BTW)