London protest

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Another anti lockdown protest in London, the police will be criticised if they arrest anyone, they cannot win. Why can't people just stay at home, haven't enough people died.

Sorry can't get it to go to direct tweet but it should be enough to find link to NHS data.

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Whitby in March? I'd cover my entire face in masks just to avoid the inevitable windburn.

Thank you @msbehavin your posts have so eloquently summed up the lingering anxiety I have had for a year that we are sleepwalking into 1939. Good to see the tide is turning.

Came here to point out that some of the people attending the London protest were wearing Neo-Nazi imagery, and/or photographed doing the Seig Heil, but I see the "who cares if disabled people die" pro-eugenics lot have already invaded.

You do realise that plenty of people who are considered CEV are young, have children, work full-time jobs, and expect to live for another 40 years, don't you? The idea that CEV people are on their death beds and have no standard of life is not based on fact. It's sheer eugenics, the same belief system that has systemically massacred disabled people over the centuries.

Came here to point out that some of the people attending the London protest were wearing Neo-Nazi imagery, and/or photographed doing the Seig Heil

Were they actually Neo Nazi's or was it a performative remark of the state of democracy? That's an honest question, btw, I haven't seen the pictures.

A group of the protestors got on the same train as me when I was on my way home from work yesterday.

All pissed as newts, screaming and running up and down the carriage. The man was wearing a home-made T-shirt with weird stuff about government child sexual abuse on it (worrying close to Q-Anon beliefs). One of the young women in the group even climbed into the luggage shelf at the top of the carriage. And they had young children with them!

If anyone at the Sarah Everard vigil had been visibly wasted, wearing Q-Anon or Nazi gear, or doing the Sieg Heil, we'd have been slaughtered by the press and in the court of public opinion. But apparently lighting a candle for a murdered woman makes you arsehole who should be arrested for not doing what men tell you, but attending a far right wing covid-denier rally with Nazis in attendance is just "standing up for our rights!"

The double standard on here is sickening.

Double standard?
Which of the posters have you seen on this thread who are favour of people being allowed to protest at an anti-lockdown march also were against the vigil for Sarah Everard, please?

Fwiw, I hate it when I'm cooped up with people acting like silly buggers like those you were lumbered with yesterday, that sounds awful.

'A group of the protestors got on the same train as me when I was on my way home from work yesterday. All pissed as newts, screaming and running up and down the carriage. '

Yes, it really is any excuse for some to have a day out.

@GetOffYourHighHorse no, I haven't been listening to protesters I've been reading the news. MPs are voting in parliament on Thursday on whether to keep lockdown laws in place for another 6 months. This will give police the power to arrest anyone not abiding to "the rules".

So dont get too excited about those restrictions lifting yet...

Msbehavin

I heartily agree. The government could have taken swift action 13 months ago. It could have got organised and been competent. But no, it blames the public for government failings.

And the Scottish Government is no better. At the beginning they did almost exactly the same as the UK govt. Now we have half our adult population vaccinated and still there's no plan for getting back to normal. The Scottish level 0 is not normal. They failed to use their own indicators for the Scottish levels (tiers) and don't tell us where transmission is happening. Nicola Sturgeon actually told people to go supermarket shopping less often to keep numbers down, eh numbers of cases in prisons? In health care settings? Among footballers?

Twats.

It's just tone death to be protesting now, when things are about to open up. Where were they in January or February?

It's bored people wanting an excuse to go out and mingle on a Saturday afternoon when the pubs are closed and the weather's not so cold.

Morons one and all. It's impossible to reason with these people and it's utterly depressing.

First they came for...
Giving up rights seems easy when people are afraid and fear and hatred for 'others' are intertwined. The police have been abiding by the laws and have to - and indeed have - made arrests. The laws themselves however are a disgrace to democracy, the constitution, and justice. It's easy to give up rights and it's very hard to get them back.
I didn't protest - I am a coward and a people pleaser and hate to go against the grain - but I am very grateful to those who had more courage than me to speak out.

@msbehavin well said. I can say this as someone who has not suffered greatly through lockdown; retired as well as working from home, nice middle-class flat, beautiful forest nearby to get my exercise. I don't party or go to pubs anyway. But my heart breaks for those shut up at home in pokey accommodation, with kids they have to homeschool, who lost their jobs or their businesses. The virus spread is minimal; the fear of a deadly virus is not proportional to the actual risk for most heathy people.

Tony Benn said it well as regards government control

@Nokiding

Morons one and all. It's impossible to reason with these people and it's utterly depressing.

Most of them are protesting just for something to do because they're bored, the rest of them are just your professional agitators who have to do be on every protest going, your Piers Corbyn types.

There's a clear roadmap out of lockdown, with things opening up in the coming weeks, it'd be one thing if there wasn't.

@Katie517

Good on them. “Why can’t they just stay at home” is a disgusting attitude to have. People are fighting to regain basic human freedoms such as the right to see your family and friends, the right to work and open your business. Good on them people have reached their limits or at least those who aren’t sat at home on 80% of their salary have.

Why protest now then, when the path out of lockdown is clear and imminent?

I didn't see them out in January or February.

@mumsneedwine

People in London : we've had enough COVID, go away now. We don't want to wear masks and we will be safe if we don't because, well I'm not sure, but you know, we're fed up. So go away now COVID.

Covid: No.

Unfortunately Covid won't listen to these protesters.

At least they had an afternoon out though.

'The virus spread is minimal; the fear of a deadly virus is not proportional to the actual risk for most heathy people'

You must've missed The News in Jan, 60k daily cases and nearly 2000 daily deaths but 'spread is minimal'. Jesus.

'Most of them are protesting just for something to do because they're bored, the rest of them are just your professional agitators who have to do be on every protest going, your Piers Corbyn types.'

Exactly.

I find the whole ad campaign and the way they behaved (especially in the run up to Christmas) psychologically abusive.
This country does not have a decent enough infrastructure to cope with a lockdown (see eon security hack where ppl were left without electric) lack of wifi and internet for children for home learning because some cant afford it.
They lock us down and instead of acknowledging the sacrifices we make they shit on us or add to the mental load. The bloody census could have been postponed till next year. THEY are happy to carry on like there isnt a pandemic with their magic non growing hair and only giving us a matter of days to fill a census in as if there isnt a lockdown and like its normal times Filled ours in tonight. But what about ppl who might need help filling it in. How are they going to find that help in a a matter of days and b. in a lockdown.
They want it all ways and im fucking fed up with the psychological abuse and the gaslighting.
A long time ago i was in a emotionally and financially abusive relationship and i find this worse. I walked away from him I didnt live with him fortunately. I cant walk away from this. Its everywhere. On posters on the TV in newspapers.
I remember playing that game as a child where if you avoided the cracks in the pavement bad luck/illness wouldnt befall you. Never in my wildest dreams did i think i would be forced to play it in my town centre as an adult!! @msbehavin To cope with the fact that i feel abused i turned to food. Friends have turned to wine to cope. 48% of people have gained weight during lockdown due to using food and drink as a crutch. Because everything else was taken away. I was badly psychologically affected by their behaviour in the run up to Christmas. Then they dare to moan about weight when they have shut gyms. I usually have my hair cut and coloured at a hairdresser which is a local stand alone family business. Im sorry but looking and feeling like a scruff bag does not induce motivation. I KNOW how to be healthy I successfully lost ten stone in the early 2000s. But i cant bring myself to care that much anymore.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'A group of the protestors got on the same train as me when I was on my way home from work yesterday. All pissed as newts, screaming and running up and down the carriage. '

Yes, it really is any excuse for some to have a day out.

The word 'protest' can be used by these people, and by those with no other intention but to riot and loot. Mass marching was the only way to show strength of feeling a century ago. Now, it is the least sensible option. (People marched themselves silly to stop Bliar's war. Did it work?) Would you like to see the above 'protesters' demanding their right to roam on farmland? Gates open, fires started, animals aborted, wildlife killed, and fields and roadsides resembling landfill sites might not trouble you, but what about if they were wandering in and out of secured disease areas during foot and mouth? Still fine?

If so, you won't care much if they are crushing against you in any public place, mask off because they have their freedom to defend, and you still won't care when the country is full of South African variant plus the Brazil ones plus new ones which epidemiologists warn are inevitable, and which are not, repeat not, controlled by any of the existing vaccines. If the new, non-preventable viruses revert to the Spanish Flu type of behaviour they will affect children and young people most. Still o.k?

A weakened population and an effectively closed health service will be unable to cope with whatever comes next. Ebola, anyone? The unspeakables on that train will choose to tell one another they are being clever to risk infection. They will have plenty of time to be close together in public when their dead bodies are piled in the street.

I don't understand the "let's just back to normal" thing the protesters want.

Are they suggesting that covid will go away if we pretend it's not there?