26.8 million people vaccinated thread started 20th March

[Bordois]

So with the release of figures as of Friday 19th March over half the adult population of the UK have had at least 1 vaccination.

The number of jabs given is March was phenomenal and its likely numbers will be lower for the next few weeks but even if its "only" 100-200k a day thats still more lives potentially being saved!

You may want go stay in here. Its hone a bit mad out there. Obviously not all the information given has been taken in by some.

me too, roll on 24th may

Thats when mine is too 👍

All the cases of clots have been after the first dose they said, so anyone who had their 1st dose more than 2 weeks ago is at next-to-zero risk.

I'm probably staying in this happier huddle, rather than getting frustrated on other threads, trying to explain the facts to those who don't want/aren't able to hear them.

Once the EMA did there bit I thought tickty boo. That teaches me.

Anyway other all it could have been worst. We have some time before the under 30s get jabbed on mass. Van Tam saying he has spoken to public health England and the schedule should be ok is reassuring.

Hopefully people will behave about those second doses. I believe most will but you know. Good news is nobody can accuse us of being less careful than the EU now 🤷‍♀️

@EasterIssland

272,020 new vaccinations registered in 🇬🇧 yesterday

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 54,296 1st doses / 162,466 2nd doses
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 16,116 / 15,459
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 9,449 / 6,319
NI 5,366 / 2,549

Low numbers again

No lower than they were a month ago though. Tomorrow will be interesting because it always seems to take a day after a weekend for doses to start climbing. Obviously the last weekend was longer than usual.

I think that the reason that the MHRA have been more cautious than the EMA is because our cases are so low that Covid poses a much smaller risk than in Europe. With higher case rates, the balance of risk would be different.

@Bordois

You may want go stay in here. Its hone a bit mad out there. Obviously not all the information given has been taken in by some.

yeah I think id better stay in this thread .... fed up of people that dont listen to MHRA

I am definitely going for my second AZ dose onApril 30th.
The risks are minute. Lower than having a general anaesthetic probably.
The news is still good.

Hugo retweeted a tweet that shows the relative risk vs reward for having the AZ vaccine.

It is an incredibly useful graphic and (assuming it is correct - and looking at Alex Freeman’s job I suspect it is!) makes the decision very very easy for everyone.

mobile.twitter.com/alex_freeman/status/1379808289278545922

Basically - if you are Under 30 AND the rates of infection stay at their current low levels - it is bit more risky to have the jab than it is to risk getting the virus. Not a lot - but a bit. Over 30 then at any level you are much better off having the vaccine. Under 30 but rates go up to where they were in Feb or even higher - again much better off having the jab.

So thinking solely of your own self interest - a British U30 shouldn’t have the jab but one in most of Europe probably should.

As a 41 year old - I will happily have the jab as soon as I get it.

I guess it doesn't show the impact long covid can have on the young though.

Thanks @Mumoftwoinprimary. It’s the graphics that have been shown in the conference today

Thanks mum ❤
A good graphic to save for future threads

So happy Hugo is back with us. Look forwards to him appearing more than I do my husband each afternoon

@Mumoftwoinprimary

Hugo retweeted a tweet that shows the relative risk vs reward for having the AZ vaccine.

It is an incredibly useful graphic and (assuming it is correct - and looking at Alex Freeman’s job I suspect it is!) makes the decision very very easy for everyone.

mobile.twitter.com/alex_freeman/status/1379808289278545922

Basically - if you are Under 30 AND the rates of infection stay at their current low levels - it is bit more risky to have the jab than it is to risk getting the virus. Not a lot - but a bit. Over 30 then at any level you are much better off having the vaccine. Under 30 but rates go up to where they were in Feb or even higher - again much better off having the jab.

So thinking solely of your own self interest - a British U30 shouldn’t have the jab but one in most of Europe probably should.

As a 41 year old - I will happily have the jab as soon as I get it.

In short, the risks from the jab might be close to bugger all but because the case rate in the UK is so low, the risk to U30s from Covid is also close to bugger all. Therefore there is no gain to be had from the AZ jab. In Europe, Covid death rates are up to 10 times the UK's at the moment so the balance is very different.

@DdraigGoch yup, exactly that.

Also worth noting that the graphics in the press conference were the risks over a relatively short period of time (4 months?). The risk from covid is ongoing, whereas the risk from the vaccine is a one-off. Plus, as others have already identified, the covid risk they're using is the risk of an ITU admission. For the under 30 age group long covid is a much greater risk.

Reading between the lines, the oxford vaccine is likely lower risk than not being vaccinated at all, even for the under 30s, in almost all circumstances. But given that, by the time the programme reaches that age group, we will have other options available, then it makes sense to use those.

I don’t think the news today will put most people off a 2nd jab, it’s safer to be fully vaccinated than the risk of blood clots. 25 million vacccinated 79 people with rare blood clots, 19 people have died, even if the number went up to a 1000, you would still be safer with the 2nd jab.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

Thanks mum ❤ A good graphic to save for future threads

So happy Hugo is back with us. Look forwards to him appearing more than I do my husband each afternoon

It has been very lonely without Hugo.

He retweeted something that an old university friend’s husband wrote a few weeks ago. I was very very very excited!

[quote Motorina]@DdraigGoch yup, exactly that.

Also worth noting that the graphics in the press conference were the risks over a relatively short period of time (4 months?). The risk from covid is ongoing, whereas the risk from the vaccine is a one-off. Plus, as others have already identified, the covid risk they're using is the risk of an ITU admission. For the under 30 age group long covid is a much greater risk.

Reading between the lines, the oxford vaccine is likely lower risk than not being vaccinated at all, even for the under 30s, in almost all circumstances. But given that, by the time the programme reaches that age group, we will have other options available, then it makes sense to use those.[/quote]
The problem. I’m seeing in mn today is that people my age (36) feel they’re not safe with az so wil refuse it or won’t go for the second dose. I agree with you but not everyone looks at the graphs the same way we do

People on mumsnet are the extreme though, it will put some people off but most people will get the 2nd jab.

I don't think the posters on here are anything to go on. The general public took up their vaccine offers eagerly. Many posters on mumsnet were saying the take up would be poor and they wouldn't let their parents or gran have it before Christmas. The same posters were complaining about how long they had to wait for theirs by January

The UK trusts the NHS and the scientists. Are very loyal to the vaccine. Most people will do what they are told is best. It is only are own media as normal that could cock things up.

@OhYouBadBadKitten

I guess it doesn't show the impact long covid can have on the young though.

Nor what long-term effect neural damage from covid can have -- they haven't yet got any data on that at all, because they haven't been looking for long enough.

I shall be going for my second dose of AZ in May.

Finally I’ve an answer to my doubt

“ It is recommended to administer the second dose 28 days after the first dose to complete the vaccination course”

www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccine-moderna/information-for-uk-recipients-on-covid-19-vaccine-moderna

So fornmoderna they’re going with what is recommended by the pharmaceutical

If the Moderna plan is that I will possibly get my first and second dose before my husband gets his second one

That is probably because the Moderna hasn't had a longer trial. The Pfizer did a small six week one that was very successful. Which I have always believed the data used help to make them think 12 weeks like AZ would be fine.

Also using it when covid levels are very low there won’t be the big wins from getting first doses in more people sooner that there were at the start of the vaccination programme, and the goal will be to get everyone as immune as possible before autumn.

Two bits of good news this morning:

• “Coronavirus cases have more than halved in a month and fallen in every age group, a major surveillance study revealed last night – as experts said reopening schools has had little impact on the epidemic.”

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9445275/Covid-infections-halved-month-dropped-age-group.html

• Britain will achieve herd immunity on Monday, according to a study by UCL:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/07/exclusive-britain-will-pass-covid-herd-immunity-threshold-monday/