One dose of AZ?

[Bluenightowl]

For my own reasons I do not want to get a second dose of AZ (there is plenty of debate on other threads about AZ and I don't want this to turn into another anti EU/pro AZ thread ).

I read previously one dose of AZ will give 12 weeks protection against covid?

Can I then get a second dose of another vaccine e.g Pfizer or start again with a different one shot vaccine?

Or as AZ gives 76% protection for up to 90 days, and a second dose will increase protection up to 84% for an unknown time period - is it necessary to get another vaccine at all?

It really alarms me that people who work in healthcare have bought into this nonsense about blood clots.

@Doomsdayiscoming 😂😂 well said

If you have an inherited extra risk of blood clotting, is there anything you can do now to mitigate this?

Clot-busting medication, weight loss, exercise, careful attention to dietary specifics?

Fight the fear with action, not worry.

Everyone's immune system works differently - the percentage is the overall statistic so in the study you're quoting 76% of people had a sufficient immune response.

Some of those will have got a very strong immune response, but generally on. the first exposure to coronavirus you produce shorter acting white blood cells (IgG), it's not until the second dose that you produce the longer lasting white blood cells. So, if you delay your second dose too long, you may not be protected.

I've posted this somewhere already, but just because something happens at the same time doesn't mean it's directly linked. (indirect correlation vs causation).
The example I usually give is that as you get into your mid 40s you need to wear glasses for reading, a few years later you develop cataracts. It's not the glasses which cause you to develop cataracts.

Mixing vaccines has not been tried and tested, so you'd be much safer just getting your second AZ dose when offered. But, if you're still not sure, just wait and see how you feel when you're offered it. The whole thing will have blown over by then.

You're assuming because you have private healthcare that you will be able to get the vaccine of your choice privately, that may not happen for a very long time. Annual top ups may not happen next year either. Most of the world isn't yet vaccinated. There can't be vaccine hoarding to protect the population of some countries where others have no protection at all.

Covid has generated some awful health anxiety and that's what going on here. Your fears are not founded.

@Bluenightowl

I take it you have done your research? You are aware that the Pfizer jab also has this issue? In fact there have been slightly more cases it’s just not been publicised as much ( personally I think there is an agenda by the EU over AZ, funny how they stopped leaving Italy, are sitting in 7m doses, want more from the UK but it’s suspended. Pfizer of course is part German )

I volunteer at a vaccination hub. We were so quiet yesterday due to cancellations caused by this scaremongering. I hope this lack of confidence does not cause cases of Covid to spike again as that would cause more deaths .

When I read stuff like this I think: great - the fewer people taking theirs the quicker myself and my family will get our two doses and have greater protection from idiot anti-vaxxers

You are of course entitled to get, or not get, the second jab as you see fit. Whether you have any ‘mix and match’ or ‘start again’ options will depend on how the roll out is managed in your country.
I do think your logic is very flawed though. Blood clots happen sadly, just because they happen after a vaccine doesn’t mean they were caused by it. The UK has given a huge number of doses and is seeing no increase in clotting incidents. The presence of no link is likely to be confirmed by the EMA today, and both they and the WHO are very clear that vaccinations of AZ should continue.
Even if they find a link, the number of reported incidents is in fact higher with Pfizer, so if that’s the concern opting for Pfizer is a bizarre decision.

@Bluenightowl

It isn't nonsense. 9 second doses of AZ have been given in Spain and a woman with no underlying health issues has died from a brain hemorrhage.

She had it from the 1st dose and not the second My best guess is instead of asking people who don’t know ... you’ll need to ask your doctor.

Also bear in mind that at Least in Spain the Pfizer and moderna are for over 55s and also health professionals hence you’d have to wait for these people to have theirs

@EasterIssland

Also bear in mind that at Least in Spain the Pfizer and moderna are for over 55s and also health professionals hence you’d have to wait for these people to have theirs

OP claims to be a health professional - except not one who poses any risk to patients if she catches COVID????

bobbiester That is correct. I currently work from home. However some of my colleagues meet patients and we were all vaccinated together. I don’t know why.

But even then op hasn’t been considered at risk by the government where they live hence why az has been provided. All the people I know have had pfizer in Spain who are health professionals (I’ve several doctor friends around the country ) and so elderlies over 55/65 are being given pfizer as that’s what the government has indicated

Those that have received az are essential workers but that are not such at risk.
I’d find it outrageous that many people now would be given pfizer despite they have az because they refuse the latter one meanwhile there ja people around the world who have not had any. But that’s my personal point

Op ask your doctor. Nobody but them would be able to give you a reply.

OP, you are very actively posting on various threads to diminish trust in the Astrazeneca vaccine.

If you have had the first dose and don't want the second, then that's your choice to make.

No one can give you the information you say you want as you are not open-minded. You have decided for no rational or factual reason that the AZ vaccine is bad and others are good. There's no point asking your doctor as if he/she advised you that the AZ vaccine is completely safe, you wouldn't believe it. If the EMA and WHO conclude that it is safe, you won't believe them.

No one on here can advise you about mixing vaccines etc as there is no evidence yet, since research is ongoing.

If you don't want your second dose of AZ because of your perception of risk, you certainly wouldn't want to have a second dose of a different vaccine, even if it were currently possible, until the research supports it.

So it seems your only choice is to wait and see.

Given that you have clearly made your mind up about the AZ vaccine, personally I would simply leave it and take the 70-odd percent effectiveness which is expected from it. Presumably these jabs will need boosters at some point (yearly, for example) which could be a jab other than AZ if it's still being questioned or you aren't reassured by subsequent research.

I do find it a little odd though that you would post on a UK site for info when you don't live in the UK and vaccine roll out is being handled so differently in different countries. You have been on a lot of threads talking about this. Either you are very, very anxious (in which case seek some support off-line, presumably your employer can provide this) or you have an anti-AZ agenda.

I find ur odd that a healthcare professional is asking for advice on Mumsnet instead of looking at the medical guidance/reports that they presumably have access to?

I have posted on four threads about a very topical issue.
Yes to the PP. I’m considered a non high risk essential worker. Just heard a report on the radio saying they expect further T&C to be put on AZ by the EMA today. Also said the benefits outweigh the risks, and the downside of halting the vaccine is people lose faith in it and it would have been better to keep vaccinating whilst investigating but they couldn’t do that for safety reasons either. I don’t suppose they care if they lose a few people along the way in the greater scheme of things but I need to be here to see my kids grow up. That’s all I care about.

I need to be here to see my kids grow up. That’s all I care about.

Is that really your priority? Because given your risk of dying should you contract COVID is statistically far greater (still tiny, but far greater) than your risk of dying from a blood clot if you have your second dose of AZ (actually lower than in the general population and no different to those who have had the Pfizer jab) then it's a no brainer, surely?

I'm absolutely infuriated by all this nonsense about the AZ vaccine. Anyone with half a brain can easily see that the numbers absolutely do not suggest any heightened risk of blood clotting and yet the politicians, the media, and anti-vaxxers are engaging in this deliberate and dangerous scaremongering. It's disgusting, quite frankly. And I say that as an ardent Remainer.

OP, you will have a choice. It maybe not be the choices you want e.g the AZ vaccine or no 2nd vaccine, but you do have a choice. Just own the choice you make.

Your second one is some way off? There may be more information by then to help you choose. Why not wait for several weeks before you become too caught up in theories.

For each person that is (is it?) dying cuz f AZ we're saving another lives (many more)
Everyone wants to be here to see their kids... but you've greater chances of dying cuz of covid than cuz of the vaccine...

Do you take paracetamol, OP? Ever read the list of possible side-effects contained in every box? Jonathan van Tan read them out last night in the press briefing. Quite interesting. And yet most of us have no problem with taking paracetamol.

Fergus Walsh said on BBC this morning that he believes doses can be mixed: confirmatory work is taking place.

You really need to get a second dose.

Peach green

I'm absolutely infuriated by all this nonsense about the AZ vaccine. Anyone with half a brain can easily see that the numbers absolutely do not suggest any heightened risk of blood clotting and yet the politicians, the media, and anti-vaxxers are engaging in this deliberate and dangerous scaremongering. It's disgusting, quite frankly. And I say that as an ardent Remainer”

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I don’t think you can change vaccine brand between the doses. That’s much more likely to have issues. To be home if you have already had AZ with no problems it will very likely be fine again. The pill is different as it taken everyday for many years but this is a vaccine taken twice so no ongoing use.