One dose of AZ?

[Bluenightowl]

For my own reasons I do not want to get a second dose of AZ (there is plenty of debate on other threads about AZ and I don't want this to turn into another anti EU/pro AZ thread ).

I read previously one dose of AZ will give 12 weeks protection against covid?

Can I then get a second dose of another vaccine e.g Pfizer or start again with a different one shot vaccine?

Or as AZ gives 76% protection for up to 90 days, and a second dose will increase protection up to 84% for an unknown time period - is it necessary to get another vaccine at all?

I don’t see why you can’t get Pfizer after AZ.
They both get the body to assemble the spikes on the casing of the virus, it’s just that instruction is issued differently. Pfizer is just rna in saline whereas AZ is dna housed in a chimp virus, which is why it’s more stable. But overall the effect is the body producing spikes for the immune system to kill and remember.

I'm talking about the risk to your patients. From you.

From meeting my 80 year old parent in their garden? My 80 year old parent who doesn't leave their house unless it is to their garden? My 80 year old parent who I keep 4m away from and have seen twice in six months for minutes at a time?

You are adamant on swaying from the purpose of the thread. It is distracting.

No, op. From dealing with multiple ill people . You're in a prime position to catch Covid; working in healthcare, which is presumably why your vaccine was expedited in the first place.

I wouldn't be sick with worry, OP, considering it is an extremely small percentage of people who have had bad side-effects, if that is what they are.

No Greyhound. I don't wish to say what area i work in but I won't catch covid through work anymore anyone would catch it in a supermarket.
All healthcare workers are being vaccinated here. I shouldn't have been vaccinated already as I have repeatedly said earlier in the thread. I presume I was vaccinated due to cancellations/slow uptake of vaccine.

@Bluenightowl

It isn't nonsense. 9 second doses of AZ have been given in Spain and a woman with no underlying health issues has died from a brain hemorrhage.

Are you on the pill?!

The blood clot is not related. If it was there would be an extra amount of ppl getting clots. That's not happening.
Ppl drop dead of brain haemorrhages every day with no previous history. I know one.
I'll trust the W.H.O before a newspaper headline.

Are you on the pill?! No! I’ve already written about that. It isn’t recommended for long term use in terms of cervical cancer etc. I’m in my 40s. None of my friends are still on the pill.

OP do whatever you want to do. The vaccine isn't compulsory. I know you aren't in the UK but AZ is working fine here.
I have a history of DVT and as such I am at high risk of having another but it wouldn't stop me having the AZ jab because from personal experience of near death from DVT (on more than one occasion) - it is more preferable to me than death from Covid which does not look nice at all. Horrific in fact.

@Bluenightowl

It isn't nonsense. 9 second doses of AZ have been given in Spain and a woman with no underlying health issues has died from a brain hemorrhage.

When I was a kid my friend's mum died of a brain haemorrhage in 1987.... very sad. Was just one if these things.

As has been stated numerous times. The cases of thromboembolytic events (blood clots) seen in patients who have received the AZ vaccine is the same or lower as the general unvaccinated population.

Have you ever taken the contraceptive pill? That is associated with blood clots but people take it on a daily basis and have been for years.

Even the doctors differ. There is one doctor refusing to give any vaccine at all
So you've asked doctors and they haven't given you a clear answer? So why do you think mumsnetters will know better than doctors?

@Bluenightowl

Are you on the pill?! No! I’ve already written about that. It isn’t recommended for long term use in terms of cervical cancer etc. I’m in my 40s. None of my friends are still on the pill.

But you used to take it - knowing full well it. An ve associated with blood clots. In fact you said the doctor used to check your legs.

So you previously took this medicine on a daily basis for months or years in the full knowledge it could cause blood clots. But now you are quibbling over one dose (second dose) of the vaccine.

You've already had the first and nothing happened.

On this morning the other day they said you if you have AZ as your first you will be offered AZ as your second and that you can’t mix them.

So you previously took this medicine on a daily basis for months or years in the full knowledge it could cause blood clots.

I was in my 20s, very fit and healthy, weighed 8 stones, and was carefree. I’m now 20 years older, 2 stones heavier and more importantly have dependents. Very different circumstances.

and that you can’t mix them

Did they say why?

I think you're overreacting! the risk of blood clots is so tiny compared to the people that have had the jab, there are literally millions of people who had the AZ vaccine (including myself) and we are all fine! How do you know the people who suffered the blood clots didn't already have them? Things like this can also be caused by taking the pill and flying! Would it stop you doing these? Feeling slightly unwell for a bit after the jab is probably a normal sign it's working! You've already had the first vaccine so...? 🤷🏻‍♀️

www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1256880

www.google.com/amp/s/abc7.com/amp/woman-dies-after-getting-vaccine-death-cal-poly-pomona-covid-vaccines-kaiser-sites/10337617/

www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/90917

Are you sure you want the Pfizer vaccine?

I’ve just read the entire thread and you sound incredibly stressed and anxious, and I’m sorry about that. Maybe it would help to have a more fatalistic attitude?

Fair enough OP. Here’s my advice:

Never go to loud clubs 'cause it's bad for your ears
Your friends will all be sorry when they can't hear
And stay the hell away from drugs 'cause they not legal
Then bury all your money in the backyard like a beagle
'Cause you should never trust a bank, they've been known to fail
And never travel by car or bus, boat or by rail
And don't travel by plane, and don't travel at all
Build a bomb shelter basement with titanium walls
And wear titanium suits in case pianos fall on you
And never go to saunas 'cause they're crawlin' with piranhas
And never take the stairs 'cause they're often unsafe
You only live once, don't let it go to waste.

Always wear a chastity belt and triple lock it
Then hire a taster, make him check your food for poison
And if you think your mailman is a spy, then destroy him
No blankets or pajamas, they can choke you in your sleep
Two words about furniture: killing machines
Now, board your windows up the sun is bad for your health
And always wear a straitjacket so you're safe from yourself

The problem you have is that the risk of blood clots in patients who have had AZ or Pfizer are the same.

So it makes no difference, the risk of developing a blood clot post covid vaccine (which may well not be related the the vaccines at all) will be the same regardless of whether you get AZ or Pfizer.

You've got weeks until your second dose is due. Wait and see what the EMA have to say, it may not be an issue.

@Doomsdayiscoming fantastic and what an appropriate username

Signed, Basilisk ( 1 AZ jab in and still here )

@Bluenightowl

but youve already had it so what does it matter if u get another dose

If a second dose increases the efficacy, it must increase the risks too?

That doesn’t necessarily follow at all.

[quote BasiliskStare]@Doomsdayiscoming fantastic and what an appropriate username

Signed, Basilisk ( 1 AZ jab in and still here )[/quote]
credit: The Lonely Island (YOLO)

@Midlifephoenix

Why ask a bunch of people who have as much knowledge as you? This is why you have a fear of the AZ vaccine- looking for answers in the wrong place, reading sbout non causation stories. Ask someone qualified to answer.

Totally agree with this. You need to give your brain a chance !.

OP 17 million people have had the AZ vaccine. In any normal year 1/1000 people suffer clots. The stays of this 37/17m mean this is 1/200k chance .... so perhaps AZ prevents blood clots!

Also consider that 1 person had a brain bleed and died - no under lying health conditions .... this REGULARLY happens, it's just not reported.

If 17 people had died of being run over and killed in the Pfizer vax would you say Pfizer causes people to get run over!!

Brain bleeds and clots are common

Also 1/3 people who get Covid have platelet related problems

Vaccines are by far safer than getting Covid - honestly, open your eyes