Data, Stats and Daily Numbers started 17th March

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UK govt pressers Slides & data www.gov.uk/government/collections/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conferences#history
R estimates UK & English regions www.gov.uk/guidance/the-r-number-in-the-uk
Imperial UK weekly LAs, cases / 100k, table, map, hotspots statistics Attendance explore-education-statistics. service.gov.uk/find-statistics/attendance-in-education-and-early-years-settings-during-the-coronavirus-covid-19-outbreak
NHS England Hospital activity www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
NHs England Daily deaths www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Cases Tracker England Local Government lginform.local.gov.uk/reports/view/lga-research/covid-19-case-tracker
ONS MSAO Map English deaths www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
CovidMessenger live update by council district in England www.covidmessenger.com/
Scot gov Daily data www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/
Scotland TravellingTabby LAs, care homes, hospitals, tests, t&t www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
PH Wales LAs, tests, ONS deaths Dashboard app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZGYxNjYzNmUtOTlmZS00ODAxLWE1YTEtMjA0NjZhMzlmN2JmIiwidCI6IjljOWEzMGRlLWQ4ZDctNGFhNC05NjAwLTRiZTc2MjVmZjZjNSIsImMiOjh9
ICNRC Intensive Care National Audit & Research reports www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports
NHS t&t England & UK testing Weekly stats www.gov.uk/government/collections/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-weekly-reports
PHE Surveillance reports & LA Local Watchlist Maps by LSOA www.gov.uk/government/collections/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-weekly-reports
ONS England infection surveillance report each Friday www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/previousReleases
Datasets for ONS surveillance reports www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/datasets/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveydata/2020
ONS Roundup deaths, infections & economic reports www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26
Zoe Uk data covid.joinzoe.com/data#interactive-map
ECDC rolling 14-day incidence EEA & UK read https_www.ecdc.europa.eu/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ecdc.europa.eu%2Fen%2Fcases-2019-ncov-eueea
Worldometer UK page www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
Our World in Data GB test positivity etc, DIY country graphs ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-kingdom?country=~GBR
FT DIY graphs compare deaths, cases, raw / million pop ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=gbr&areas=fra&areas=esp&areas=ita&areas=deu&areas=swe&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&byDate=1&cumulative=1&logScale=1&per100K=1&values=deaths
Alama Personal COVID risk assessment alama.org.uk/covid-19-medical-risk-assessment/
Local Mobility Reports for countries www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
UK Highstreet Tracker for cities & large towns Footfall, spend index, workers, visitors, economic recovery www.centreforcities.org/data/high-streets-recovery-tracker/

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Incredible news about Pfizer in teenagers.
My kids are younger and I have to say I’m not delighted about giving them a vaccine (I def will have it myself) however with stats like that it’s very unlikely I would refuse
am not worried particularly about my kids catching covid but it definitely has an impact on community transmission

@PurpleWh1teGreen

At the risk of sounding profoundly stupid & getting my arse handed to me, surely Judaism is a religion not an ethnicity?

I totally respect people's right not to answer the question btw, especially given the amount of racist dicks who think it's funny to answer "white English".

My (non-Jewish) understanding is that it depends on context, and on whether or not you want to capture and include non-practising people of Jewish heritage, whether or not it's included as an ethnicity - there's an interesting article from the Jewish Chronicle on this here: www.thejc.com/comment/opinion/are-jews-an-ethnic-minority-the-bbc-doesn-t-think-so-1.441775

@Lalalablahblahblah they announced trials had commenced in 6mths-12 to a few days ago

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2BH2LM

[quote MRex]@ancientgran - my previous response seems to have gone. My friend puts White British who's British-born Mauritian and Si to her sister and brother. For whatever reason they don't feel Mauritius is really Africa, so nothing else fits. I think ethnicity gets complicated and if anyone needs to know then it might be better to explain what they need to know and why if they want compliance.[/quote]
It is an interesting point isn't it. So with people who don't want to answer and people who don't give a very accurate answer it is hard to know where we are.

I thought this was interesting - Belgium is starting to encourage people to do LFT tests (though you have to buy them) but they're suggesting they're used in a way that I think is very much discouraged here (though I think it's how a lot of people use them in practice):

The authorities stressed that using a self-test does not provide the same certainty possible with the classic PCR test, but they are a tool to know if you are highly infectious.

“By using them regularly, you can protect yourself and especially others, Vandenbroucke said. “For example, at a time when you are helping your grandmother or a needy neighbour to go to the doctor, or when you are visited at home by your cuddle contact.”
www.brusselstimes.com/belgium/162420/cheat-sheet-belgiums-testing-strategy-2-0-coronavirus-frank-vandenbroucke-corona-self-tests-rapid-antigen-tests-telework-pharmacists-pcr-tests/

@Lalalablahblahblah

Can 100% understand why Jewish people wouldn't want to answer that question. I'd also guess that people with mixed heritage are less likely to answer as well. Because you don't fit neatly into one particular box and because your whole life people are trying to figure you out you grow to resent the intrusion, or the being made to decide.

Like the "Where do you really come from?" question. My DD really hates that one.

My (non-Jewish) understanding is that it depends on context, and on whether or not you want to capture and include non-practising people of Jewish heritage, whether or not it's included as an ethnicity - there's an interesting article from the Jewish Chronicle on this here: www.thejc.com/comment/opinion/are-jews-an-ethnic-minority-the-bbc-doesn-t-think-so-1.441775 I believe there are similar discussions for Sikhs. I'm not sure why.

but they're suggesting they're used in a way that I think is very much discouraged here

It's because of context though, the UK is very much on a "keep cases really low" by finding as many cases as early as possible, so regular testing is the way to go, protecting vulnerable is now taken care of by vaccines, and there's not actually huge extra re-assurance from the test - better to keep people apart anyway. Whereas much of Europe is still forced into the "protect the vulnerable", because cases are too high, so the context there is use them to help protect vulnerable.

I don't think either use is wrong, just forced by the context, I think they're of limited - but not zero - use anyway.

So people in Belgium have a designated "cuddle contact"! I'm not sure whether I find that delightful or kind of big-state-scary!

@Firefliess

So people in Belgium have a designated "cuddle contact"! I'm not sure whether I find that delightful or kind of big-state-scary!

I was debating whether to pick up on that

It’d put me off having any contacts at all if people started referring to it as that! Seems like it belongs in the same category as holibobs and wifey. Fine if that’s your thing but makes me squirm a bit.

Does the more Dutch translation of Snuggle Contact make it better or worse?

@sirfredfredgeorge

Does the more Dutch translation of Snuggle Contact make it better or worse?

Aarrggghhh worse, worse!

(I’m traditionally Britishly repressed)

Someone please explain what he might have been thinking when saying this:

"Adam Finn, a professor of pediatrics at Bristol University who sits on the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) said it was not yet clear whether children in the UK would need to be vaccinated to keep Covid under control. “However, we definitely do need to put ourselves in a position to be able to do that if it does prove necessary,” he said."

Are british born kids naturally immune? Or do kids acquire it when stepping foot in a british institution?
Why wouldn't children need to be vaccinated?? If nothing else, UK should allow P. to be given to the 16-18 genpop "kids". Let's be fair - they are not really kids in the medical sense.

Maybe he means if all transmission effectively ends with adults highly vaccinated they may decide to only vaccinate by a particular birthday (could be 12 / 14 / 16 / 18), or make it chargeable for those who want it. There has to be a cut-off somewhere, highly unlikely they will vaccinate under 13 months for example (12 months + 1 month post MMR).

@TheSun I suspect it's because there's not really any good data AFAIK about the extent to which social mixing occurs between different age groups. So most of the modelling of vaccination rates against r rates just treats 70% of the population vaccinated as 70% of all the people in every social interaction vaccinated. This is of course completely unrelated to reality - we've now vaccinated about 40% of the UK population, and once we've offered jabs to all adults that'll be about 70% vaccinated. But 70% of the people my 17 year old mixes with will certainly not be vaccinated! So the modelling effectively says that 70% of a population may be sufficient to achieve herd immunity, but that isn't the case unless those 70% are a cross section of all people, including children.

I can't see how our children's lives can go back to normal without either a) letting it rip through schools with no care about who catches it or b) vaccinating children. Whilst people point out a lot that Covid is mostly a mild illness for children, letting it rip through them would likely cause some to be very ill, and inevitable spread to older age groups who refused the jab, or for whom it didn't work.

And there’s the flu vaccine model, where certain ages of children are jabbed.

Well, indeed and the adults they mix with outside of family will be teachers. We have the youngest teaching profession in Europe so largely unvaccinated at present. It does stand that large schools are institutions with few covid measures and mixing, largely unvaccinated. TeacherTapp yesterday suggested 58 percent of teachers are unvaccinated at present.

But the JCVI have pronounced on this so it is what it is.

I was disappointed to note that the vaccination of adults who live with immune compromised people is not being extended to those who live with immune compromised children. I thought that was sad . Probably expedient but sad nonetheless.

Can I ask you wise people a question? AZ protocol has changed today to 8 -12 weeks for second dose.

Would you opt for your second dose ASAP or wait a bit longer & hope a longer gap increases your protection? I am 8 weeks from dose one today & on a day off. I've just been offered the option to go into work to get it done.

I’d suggest that being fully vaccinated is the best option, whenever it’s offered. But others are more knowledgeable than me.

I'm certainly leaning that way, especially as I have a vulnerable relative to consider and am still working. Just wondering if it's actually the best option in terms of antibodies though.

Aghh. Wish I didn't have to think about it !

@Firefliess
Ok, so it's not me who is being thick here. It makes no common sense what he is saying. To me it is more like head in the sand thinking.
I also don't understand how is it a good strategy to let it rip through kids and have x% of them suffer for long periods (lifetime for some) with long covid. Surely the economical implications of that (if nothing else) is huge. Both in terms of benefits to be paid and nhs strain for the future.
How can people be so short sighted?
I can only hope that sometime soon there will be the option to pay for the vaccine and get my kid vaccinated before sept.

AZ is 50% at stopping transmission after 3 months.
Catching covid is 99% at stopping transmission after 3 months.

It's not immediately obvious to me why in people with little to no risk of covid we'd bother with the ineffective treatment, it's simply not that effective at stopping transmission - it's not enough to reduce the R below 2 on its own!