To think the EU countries are utter fuckwits over the AZ vaccine?

[annonnymous]

Words fail me at the utter stupidity and reckless behaviour of many EU countries over the whole vaccination thing and in particular the AZ vaccine.

40 people with blood clots with AZ ..... which is statistically lower than the average number of people who get blood clots anyway and the same as the Pfizer one! And the twatty french president saying AZ was quite ineffective in the over 65s and the whole of the EU slow the give it to over 65s because there was no evidence (because it wasn't tested on them) that it worked. It does, and sheer logic says it will. Your immune system doesn't fold up at 65.

With covid cases rising, Paris hospitals shipping out seriously ill patients to other areas, Italy in serious problems again, they need to stop this.

On no real evidence they are putting the lives of thousands of people at risk and putting a question mark over an effective vaccine which makes no profit and can be used worldwide cheaply.

The WHO say it's safe. FFS Europe, get a grip and stop the politics.

I've had multiple serious blood clots in my life since age 23. No vaccines were involved.

I'm also Autistic, and was immunised as a child. Just saying...

You can practically smell the british jingoism on this thread.

Who is the bully? The EMA, which is an EU body is still saying that it’s okay to continue. Belgium, the heart of the EU hasn’t put a hold on it yet.

Maybe it is a batch/specific issue and that is being looked at.

Personally I would still have it if offered, as I think that the risks associated with catching Covid are far higher. It is up to each person to make their own decision though.

• Norway is not a member state of the European Union (EU).

• Neither is Iceland.

• Some countries in the EU (independently not a centralised action) have decided to investigate following some deaths.

• In the meanwhile, a statement from EMA (European Medicines Agency) reads: "“At present, there is no indication that vaccination has caused these conditions."

But, hey, let's not have fact come in the way of a rabid rhetoric, eh?
(350 millions? HNS? Bus?)

Well if the U.K. keep on with the brilliant vaccine roll out and other countries remain where they are at the minute then I hope people from the U.K. don’t go on holiday in those countries this summer.

You’d like to think the U.K. govt would keep up the non essential international travel ban, but I’m not convinced.

Obviously shit for people with family abroad.

But the worry is still that the more covid carries on spreading the more chance of a really bad variation.

@sonjadog

If they are bullies, who are they bullying? Their own citizens by wanting to check a vaccine before giving it to them??

Both the European Medicines Agency and The W.H.O continues to state - categorically - that the vaccine is safe? So what's the point of the EMA then?

Merkel, Macron etc have doubted the efficacy of the AZ vaccine by highlighting a tiny possible side-effect, affecting very few recipients, and by doing so they've unfairly tainted it. As a result, many possible recipients in the EU member states will now refuse to accept it. The emphasis being on a 'possible' side effect as there's absolutely no evidence that blood clotting was caused by vaccination, nor any evidence that the incidence of clotting in the vaccinated population is higher than in the non-vaccinated (indeed, it looks as if the opposite is true). Europeans need to be reminded of the difference between correlation and causation.

How on Earth can you defend that? Peoples of Europe will now die in greater numbers whilst it's tantruming leaders play politics. The Read what Nicola Magrini told the la Repubblica newspaper."

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/16/merkels-government-war-astrazeneca-disaster-eu-vaccine-chaos/

This update seems broadly positive and seems to confirm that numbers from all vaccines in all countries are fairly similar. Hopefully on Thursday when the case by case analysis is concluded there will be further reassurance.

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"FullofCurryandparatha:
You can practically smell the British jingoism on this thread."

yep.

They are only making a deal about the AZ vaccine (even though the Pfizer vaccine has the same amount of people having blood clots which is a standard normal amount) is being picked up and swung around by the EU and tarred because of the link with us.

If this wasn’t the case then why is it not a concern to the EU that the Pfizer vaccine has caused the same amount?

If we are all 'Fuckwits' in the EU why are you all getting your knickers in a knot about us.

Whichever way you want to spin this is not really important, the fact the reputation of AZ has been trashed, the cheapest vaccine on the market and easy to store.

@LimitIsUp

Just read your post a couple of pages back. Thankyou for balancing the information available. It is hard when your closest neighbors in the EU have a figurehead who clearly does have anti-UK bias (and I think he's a knob too...) I do appreciate how that must feel, especially when the vaccine is something to genuinely be proud of.

I'm glad you're getting your vaccine and wish either you the mildest of side-effects or none at all. Even living at the centre of where all this kicked off, and supporting the decision we've made, I'd more than happily accept an AZ shot tomorrow

[quote Sunshinegirl82]This update seems broadly positive and seems to confirm that numbers from all vaccines in all countries are fairly similar. Hopefully on Thursday when the case by case analysis is concluded there will be further reassurance.

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Seriously??

Fuck off Apple.

You can practically smell the british jingoism on this thread. Flags, flags everywhere...

I think Boris is incompetent, other non EU county's have also suspended its use because of the clotting issues, the fact we are still using it is nothing more than using cannon fodder public as a bait against the EU. Blood clots are killers, the vaccine should of been stopped until proven it's safe, we have not done that.

It is right for safety to be monitored and investigated - it happens all the time for all medicines. Normally if it looks like a new, rare side effect is happening, a warning would go out to all healthcare providers, and, for example, they may say to discuss risks with people who are at a higher risk of blood clots. But they would never normally pause/suspend/stop the use of a medicine unless there was a clear and immediate serious risk to health.

At best, this is a misjudged attempt to reassure the public, and it has badly backfired. There has been a domino effect of countries succumbing to pressure to show what they are doing to ensure the safety of their own citizens. It's all become a self-fulfilling prophecy, because now people are looking at the number of countries who have suspended the use and assume that there must be something in it because of all these countries stopping the use.

It is terribly, terribly misguided, and I speak as someone who works in the industry. There have been some reasonable articles on the BBC and Guardian online explaining the facts, but sensational headlines elsewhere are not helping. If offered, I would have the AZ vaccine like a shot. Counting the days till I'm eligible.

I'll try again with a direct link

www.standard.co.uk/news/world/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-eu-blood-clots-ema-b924436.html

It's been noted before, but the decisions are being made by individual countries, not "the EU". We are still separate countries! Some countries in the EU (eg Ireland, France, Spain) and some that are not in the EU (eg South Africa, Norway, DRC) have paused/stopped the AZ rollout. I am in Ireland and for what its worth I very much disagree with the pause and want them to start again asap. I am highly critical of the Taoiseach in this and a number of issues to do with the pandemic. But that does not mean I am anti-EU, it has nothing to do with it.

So I’ve had a lot of blood clots. A stroke. Pulmonary embolisms. DVTs. I’ve had clots in most major organ! Except my heart. Thank god.

I had the vaccine a few weeks ago. I wasn’t allowed the AZ one due to the clotting issue and seeing as I haven’t just had 1 or 2 clots. More like 10 lots.

I was fine. It have been so far. I do understand the worry. But seeing as I’ve had nearly 10 blood clots. I was fine.

oth the European Medicines Agency and The W.H.O continues to state - categorically - that the vaccine is safe? So what's the point of the EMA then?

They don't categorically state anything is safe. That's not their job and they haven't said that. They have said that at present there is no indication of a link.

They are only making a deal about the AZ vaccine (even though the Pfizer vaccine has the same amount of people having blood clots which is a standard normal amount) is being picked up and swung around by the EU and tarred because of the link with us

You're just not that important. Nobody cares enough about the UK to even entertain such a thing. The narcissism is astounding.

@SakuraEdenSwan1

I think Boris is incompetent, other non EU county's have also suspended its use because of the clotting issues, the fact we are still using it is nothing more than using cannon fodder public as a bait against the EU. Blood clots are killers, the vaccine should of been stopped until proven it's safe, we have not done that.

You are bonkers

@schnubbins

If we are all 'Fuckwits' in the EU why are you all getting your knickers in a knot about us.

Many of us have relatives in other countries, including the EU, and would like them to be as protected as we are. I understood that Sweden had some input into the vaccine, so I would be interested to hear their take on the situation.

The main "fuckwit" reaction in the UK has been towards the Pfizer vaccine and the belief by some that we have been injected with a chip. Funnily enough, this did prove useful for me the other day, when I needed my daughter in law to help with changing a light bulb. Fortunately my "chip" told her "chip" what was necessary and it was entered on her diary for the next day.

@Lorieandrews I'm the same as you! Have had dvt, pe and stroke. On blood thinners for life. I had the AZ vaccine 2 weeks ago tomorrow and as far as clots are concerned I am fine so far.

How long after having the vaccine did these people have the clots?

That's interesting Lorieandrews.

It doesn’t matter how many articles are printed with the vaccine being safe now.

It’s been trashed and people are pulling out from having it. The EU should be held accountable for the fake news they have started and impacted peoples lives.