Ireland halting the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

[Kaylasmum49]

This just came up on my phone. I had the AZ vaccine 10 days ago. I'm concerned about the news of blood clotting issues.

When you go for the vax, do you have to ask which vax it is or do they tell you? Got mine on Thursday and happy desperate for either

@PrimulaAuricula

When you go for the vax, do you have to ask which vax it is or do they tell you? Got mine on Thursday and happy desperate for either

They will tell you & if you forget in your excitement it will say on the card they give you, as well as the information leaflet.

They should tell you beforehand which it is, and most places give you a card with the type of vaccine and batch number, together with the date it was administered.

No hysteria at Newham hospital in the last 12 months, just lots of tear, pain, death and exhausted staff.

Thank you fezziwig and cookerhood

@pinkearedcow apologies - it must have been uploaded to that site in 2015 and that’s the date I saw.

Here’s a review from 2014.

www.researchgate.net/publication/268985071_Causes_for_the_underreporting_of_adverse_drug_events_by_health_professionals_A_systematic_review

Still

And still an issue in 2019 - not just in the U.K., it’s a well known issue worldwide.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6352929/

@Ladybeard2

I'm unsure which vaccine my cousin had as we rarely talk these days. But his daughter said he was very poorly after and had a mini stroke. At least we still have a choice, and I'm choosing to wait until the experiment period is over, which is 2023.

Let's hope you're not dead by then........

Just read a long article about this. As of yet, NONE of the experts can find a causal link to the vaccine. And they are working on it around the clock. Very, very few instances of clots at all. From what I'm seeing, you are far more likely to be hit by a car on your way to the appointment than you are to develop a blood clot (that may or may not be related to the vaccine.

FFS

How many people on this thread are on the pill?

Have you recently looked at how many side effects there are from the contraceptive pill?

For the most common pill prescribed, '6 extra cases of blood clots per 10,000 women'

For some other pills, the risk is doubled.

@Evanna13

I do not think this bickering and EU v's AZ/Brexit is helpful to anyone. We are all trying to do the best we can to fight this virus and we all need to work together to fight it.

I am in Ireland. Ireland have suspended the AZ vaccine for approx 1 week awaiting data relating to a batch of vaccine we have in Ireland. This batch has caused unusual clotting in younger people in Norway.

It is not a political decision. They are not doing it to get back at the UK because of Brexit or to tarnish the AZ name in Ireland/ EU. They were not told by the EU to do this.

We have problems with AZ vaccine supply in Ireland. This is twofold. The EU were late in ordering and AZ have also let us down on a number of occasions and have not delivered the promised quantities.

It would be great if we had the supply and were as far ahead with vaccinations as the UK. However it is good for us that the UK is doing so well with vaccinations as most of our cases came from England and Northern Ireland. However we are expecting millions of vaccines over the coming months ( j&j single dose) and are still on track to have 80% of the population vaccinated by June.

Hopefully any concerns about the AZ vaccine will be unfounded and we can all move on from this.

If I could like this post I would. I'm in Ireland too and I am sick of posters on mumsnet trying to link every thing we and other EU countries do to Brexit like we all revolve around the UK.

Like you say we are due lots of j&j vaccines and if they are delivered on schedule it will be a great turning point. There is no need for hysteria at all.

Like you say we are due lots of j&j vaccines and if they are delivered on schedule it will be a great turning point.

Is anyone actually looking at J&J efficacy in preventing severe disease?

It isn’t anything like as good as AZ according to trial data.

Undermining public trust in AZ is a very stupid move.

Norwegian persons who died were health professionals under 50 y (one in 30,s,) so normally low risk of dying I would have guessed. But who knows

Austria announced this evening that they will not be stopping AZ vaccines. They have removed the batch from circulation which the two health care professionals had been vaccinated from. The death of one and the pulmonary embolism of the other who worked in the same hospital and were vaccinated at the same time.

It remains to be seen what will happen now. There's uproar about it here and unfortunately I just think it will make the resistance to getting the vaccine even worse than it already is.
I think they should have paused the vaccines for a short period of time as other countries have done to investigate. It now looks as if they aren't taking it seriously and that causes more mistrust in the population.

I think common sense has gone flying out of the window.

Perhaps this is a mass hysteria caused by a year of lockdown. Maybe in a few years we'll look back at this and be a bit embarrassed.

I had the AZ jab yesterday. I knew there was risk - because I know all and every medical and pharmaceutical intervention carries risk. A risk well worth taking I considered.

Those who are doubtful - not taking the Pill? Not taking Aspirin, Ibroprofen, Paracetamol? Not ever going to have a General Anaesthetic? No operations? Not smoking or imbibing alcohol?

This batch has caused unusual clotting in younger people in Norway

There is no evidence of this at present. Correlation doesn’t equal causation.

@TheKeatingFive

Like you say we are due lots of j&j vaccines and if they are delivered on schedule it will be a great turning point.

Is anyone actually looking at J&J efficacy in preventing severe disease?

It isn’t anything like as good as AZ according to trial data.

Undermining public trust in AZ is a very stupid move.

What is the data of the AZ vs the j&j vaccine? I tried googling but the answer doesn't seem that clear apart from the fact that neither is as good as the mRNA vaccines? I found one article that said both have overall efficacy rates in the 65% range but from what you are saying there is actually a huge difference in the efficiency between the 2?

The oxford/AZ is showing similar results to Pfizer if you give the 10 to 12 week gap for antibodies to build up

I think J&J is still around 65%.

J&J have told the EU it won't meet the first quarter delivery target. They have the same delayed manufacturing problems AZ has had.

Sorry that should say has had in Europe

It is of concern when the batch numbers of those who had clots a distance apart is the same.

I had the AZ vaccine at home on 18th February. Last week my arm swelled up with lumps going down to my elbow. They give you a card with the batch number on and a helpline number. I phoned this number and it was a recording, spoken so quickly that it was impossible to write down before it finished. I then went online to the NHS site and asked a question on their contact form, and had an auto reply saying they did not deal with those enquiries and referred me to another site or the GP. How on earth are GPs able to know what to do about something they have never heard of before?

Surely a helpline should be manned by representatives of the scientists who made it?

Perhaps the absence of information on line is to stop us imagining reactions that other people asked about?

SilverGlitterBaubles They said that in the 1960s when it was discovered the sickness drug thalidomide produced badly deformed babies. I believe someone said that considering the number of births there are surprising few...........................

I have had the vaccine (first dose) and I am regretting it. I am 26 and was offered via work (cp). Since having it, my arm has a dull pain that I can’t describe. Like a muscle pain all over from the top to my wrist. I have been googling blood clots because I am not sure what this pain is. It’s in the same arm I got the injection. The injection site was reddish but I was not bothered about that. It’s the pain that has been for around three to four days.

I didn’t even need to get the vaccine. I just wanted to do direct visits to kids again and travel lol .

I got that pain with the whooping cough vaccine during pregnancy. Could even open a door comfortably. It took about two weeks to go. I reckon they hit a nerve or something. Bloody uncomfortable in the day time. Hurt like hell during the night.

@EddyF

I have had the vaccine (first dose) and I am regretting it. I am 26 and was offered via work (cp). Since having it, my arm has a dull pain that I can’t describe. Like a muscle pain all over from the top to my wrist. I have been googling blood clots because I am not sure what this pain is. It’s in the same arm I got the injection. The injection site was reddish but I was not bothered about that. It’s the pain that has been for around three to four days.

I didn’t even need to get the vaccine. I just wanted to do direct visits to kids again and travel lol .

My sister had similar, it took 5 days to go. If it's still the same after 5 or 6 days, then consider contacting your GP about it, ditto if it gets any worse.

Thank you. I will do.