Ireland halting the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

[Kaylasmum49]

This just came up on my phone. I had the AZ vaccine 10 days ago. I'm concerned about the news of blood clotting issues.

UK is hellbent on shutting down any conversation about this, that makes me sceptical.

Who are hellbet on shutting down the conversation?

The experts? We are not even hearing anonymous claims of blood clotting. Unless you can point me to someone?

Dr's & nurses - you know the ones who actually deal with patients.

Thrombosis organisation - you know the ones who know a lot about bloody clotting

Journalists - who get a sniff of a story and run it even if its unpopular. They may struggle to get it mainstream but Twitter is an excellent platform for them to do this.

Social Media - know someone who knows someone who's grannies sisters brothers in law had a blood clot because of vaccine.

There is literally none of this.

It's not the govt saying it's OK that makes me think it is........

Tiredwiththeshits anyone can report side effects via the yellow card system. If you are saying only 1% of side effects are reported, that suggests most side effects aren't troubling and so people don't bother reporting them.

It’s not just a blood clot, it’s an unusual combination of symptoms and one healthcare worker had a bleed on the brain. Another (youngish) person has been admitted to hospital in Norway today also with a clot.
I don’t agree that the move to pause the vaccine is political. Norway has no beef with Britain. I am as pro-vaccine as they come, but also understand why this needs to be investigated.

@pinkearedcow

Tiredwiththeshits anyone can report side effects via the yellow card system. If you are saying only 1% of side effects are reported, that suggests most side effects aren't troubling and so people don't bother reporting them.

Whereas people do tend to get pretty troubled by DVT, and doctors have access to medical records to examine any possible cause plus do standard yellow card reporting!

@PandoraP

It’s not just a blood clot, it’s an unusual combination of symptoms and one healthcare worker had a bleed on the brain. Another (youngish) person has been admitted to hospital in Norway today also with a clot. I don’t agree that the move to pause the vaccine is political. Norway has no beef with Britain. I am as pro-vaccine as they come, but also understand why this needs to be investigated.

I can understand the decision is Norway. There is something not quite right.

I can't understand the decision of many others.

Wakeupin2022

PandoraP
It’s not just a blood clot, it’s an unusual combination of symptoms and one healthcare worker had a bleed on the brain. Another (youngish) person has been admitted to hospital in Norway today also with a clot.
I don’t agree that the move to pause the vaccine is political. Norway has no beef with Britain. I am as pro-vaccine as they come, but also understand why this needs to be investigated.
I can understand the decision is Norway. There is something not quite right.

I can't understand the decision of many others.

Because other counties have vaccines from the same batch.

@TadpolesInthe
The cases I have read about so far had obvious symptoms really shortly after the vaccine, like hours to just a few days after. They were also getting progressively worse. I did not hear about being fine for 10 days and suddenly getting ill to be the norm. So, Kayla's mum should be ok. If you are ok a few days after the vaccine, I believe you will stay ok. Don't lose sleep over it!

No, they don't. Otherwise you just stop using that batch, don't you?

Anyway, I am so certain that there's no problem that I have just booked in for my jab

This is interesting and seems to back up what a lot of people are saying
www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-reports-that-ireland-has-suspended-the-use-of-the-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine/

pharmaphorum.com/news/eu-regulators-probe-safety-of-az-vaccine-batch/

‘’European safety regulators have launched an investigation into the safety of a batch of the Oxford University/AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine, as countries including Denmark suspended its use as a precaution following reports of blood clots.

Initial findings showed no issue with the shots suspended by Austrian authorities after a person was diagnosed with severe blood clotting and died 10 days after vaccination.

Another was hospitalised with pulmonary embolism after being vaccinated and is now recovering after being vaccinated.

In a statement, the European Medicines Agency said two other reports of blood clotting events had been received for this batch.

However, a preliminary review by the EMA’s safety committee said there is “no indication that the vaccination has caused these conditions, which are not listed as side effects with this vaccine.”

Batch ABV5300 was delivered to 17 EU countries and comprises 1 million doses of the vaccine.

Several other European countries including Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Luxembourg and Latvia, also subsequently suspended this batch as a precautionary measure, while the investigation is ongoing.’’

Very worrying. Glad I haven’t been called yet!

@Wakeupin2022

UK is hellbent on shutting down any conversation about this, that makes me sceptical.

Who are hellbet on shutting down the conversation?

The experts? We are not even hearing anonymous claims of blood clotting. Unless you can point me to someone?

Dr's & nurses - you know the ones who actually deal with patients.

Thrombosis organisation - you know the ones who know a lot about bloody clotting

Journalists - who get a sniff of a story and run it even if its unpopular. They may struggle to get it mainstream but Twitter is an excellent platform for them to do this.

Social Media - know someone who knows someone who's grannies sisters brothers in law had a blood clot because of vaccine.

There is literally none of this.

It's not the govt saying it's OK that makes me think it is........

Well put, @Wakeupin2022!! Literally millions of UK people have had the AZ vaccine, do you not think we'd have noticed by now if there was such a serious problem

Excellent post @Wakeupin2022.

Can I just say, for the record, I am. It an anti vaxxer and should I get the opportunity to get any vaccine, the Astra Zeneca included id be down a back alley requesting it in my eye balls. I am baffled by the reaction in this thread to a
Temporary halt so a safety review can be conducted. This is what I would expect and want
from the vaccination programme.

@Umbivalent

No, they don't. Otherwise you just stop using that batch, don't you?

What was wrong with that batch then? How do you know that it was just that batch and not other batches that are awaiting use?

I’m just shouting into a void here being completely ignored so I’ll leave you all in bliss ignorance ignoring what the issue is. The
Safety review and concerns are over a small number of batches that were released in EU countries not any UK batches.

@NoddyMcPintsAlot

I’m just shouting into a void here being completely ignored so I’ll leave you all in bliss ignorance ignoring what the issue is. The Safety review and concerns are over a small number of batches that were released in EU countries not any UK batches.

Not all countries received that batch. And Spain used up all of the batch. Its not just a stopping of that batch.

Well Pfizer has roughly the same amount of blood clots reported. So interesting choices being made by some countries. The stopping a batch whilst investigating a incident I understand. The rest is eyebrow raising

17 million people vaccinated

Less than 40 blood clot cases reported

Think I will take the risk

@lightand

fwiw, and I am hesitating in writing this, my blood issues started 3 months after covid [untested as March 2020]. Perhaps, and I too am rather sceptical about the blood clots/low platelets/haemorrhaging issue, it is possible that medical experts think the az vaccine will produce more problems in a few people, in the coming months. I really dont want to alarm people, and I really hope that this does not happen.

I've had the AZ vaccine and you're not alarming me at all. I'm quite happy with my decision.

[quote twinklemom]@TadpolesInthe
The cases I have read about so far had obvious symptoms really shortly after the vaccine, like hours to just a few days after. They were also getting progressively worse. I did not hear about being fine for 10 days and suddenly getting ill to be the norm. So, Kayla's mum should be ok. If you are ok a few days after the vaccine, I believe you will stay ok. Don't lose sleep over it![/quote]
I’m just 3 days past . Would I have been ill just hours after then I feel like I’m going to be stressed out till the risk has passed.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

Well Pfizer has roughly the same amount of blood clots reported. So interesting choices being made by some countries. The stopping a batch whilst investigating a incident I understand. The rest is eyebrow raising

17 million people vaccinated

Less than 40 blood clot cases reported

Think I will take the risk

The politicisation of the vaccine saga in the EU has astonished me.

This seems like even more of it.

ooh hopefully this will push me up the vaccine queue.

@NoddyMcPintsAlot

I’m just shouting into a void here being completely ignored so I’ll leave you all in bliss ignorance ignoring what the issue is. The Safety review and concerns are over a small number of batches that were released in EU countries not any UK batches.

You can shout all you like, but you're wrong @NoddyMcPintsAlot.

It's not batches at this point. It's yet more nonsense.

In a week or so they'll have to back down, again.

it is possible that medical experts think the az vaccine will produce more problems in a few people, in the coming months

Welll if that was the case, the suspensions wouldn't be temporary? They would be saying the roll outs are stopped for at least a few months.