Ireland halting the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

[Kaylasmum49]

This just came up on my phone. I had the AZ vaccine 10 days ago. I'm concerned about the news of blood clotting issues.

fwiw, and I am hesitating in writing this, my blood issues started 3 months after covid [untested as March 2020].
Perhaps, and I too am rather sceptical about the blood clots/low platelets/haemorrhaging issue, it is possible that medical experts think the az vaccine will produce more problems in a few people, in the coming months. I really dont want to alarm people, and I really hope that this does not happen.

[quote OverTheRainbow88]@TadpolesInthe

I would defo not self medicate with aspirin without consulting your GP.

@Alleycat1
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I am just feeling quite scared i just had this vaccine a few days ago
I have anxiety and asd and this is causing me some real issues I’m hoping this all gets resolved but all I keep seeing is countries halting its use and now has someone died 😞

If you got your vaccine 10 days ago, you probably don't have anything to worry about. Most people will not have these reactions.

However, I would not want to be in the shoes of families whose young (under 50), healthy family members, many of them front line workers, died from (not just after!) this vaccine. It is rude, inconsiderate and highly disrespectful to dismiss these people. These victims are more than just a number and percentage. They have names and are loved and needed by their families and friends. Most of them stood a good chance of actually surviving COVID-19 (some of them did prior to getting the vaccine and dying from it). Science is not a religion and we should be allowed to question it when something goes wrong and not be silenced. We should investigate to see what happen and not direct investigation in the direction that suits those who profit from distribution of these vaccines. Of course, there can be an odd case of a severe reaction, but this is not an odd case. This is a pattern. I applaud countries that paused the vaccine and hope they are serious about it.

All these people got exactly the same thing very shortly after being vaccinated. This is not a rocket science. It is basic math. Those who still trust and want to take it should go ahead and do it, but without bashing people who have a legitimate reason for concern and labeling them as conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxers (I do know these people exist, too, but to put legitimately concerned people in the same bag before a proper investigation is dismissive, careless, neglectful and disrespectful and is exactly what causes mistrust towards these vaccines among people).

@Wakeupin2022

the issues currently around AZ are a tiny risk compared to the dangers of CV but that doesn't mean that any potential risks shouldn't be reported or commented on

By Ireland suspending it, they are ignoring the recommendations of EMA.

They are not ignoring any recommendation. The EMA will publish their safety review this week. They have stated the benefits outweighs the risk at present but they have not recommended to continue usage of the vaccine regardless.

@twinklemom

If you got your vaccine 10 days ago, you probably don't have anything to worry about. Most people will not have these reactions.

However, I would not want to be in the shoes of families whose young (under 50), healthy family members, many of them front line workers, died from (not just after!) this vaccine. It is rude, inconsiderate and highly disrespectful to dismiss these people. These victims are more than just a number and percentage. They have names and are loved and needed by their families and friends. Most of them stood a good chance of actually surviving COVID-19 (some of them did prior to getting the vaccine and dying from it). Science is not a religion and we should be allowed to question it when something goes wrong and not be silenced. We should investigate to see what happen and not direct investigation in the direction that suits those who profit from distribution of these vaccines. Of course, there can be an odd case of a severe reaction, but this is not an odd case. This is a pattern. I applaud countries that paused the vaccine and hope they are serious about it.

All these people got exactly the same thing very shortly after being vaccinated. This is not a rocket science. It is basic math. Those who still trust and want to take it should go ahead and do it, but without bashing people who have a legitimate reason for concern and labeling them as conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxers (I do know these people exist, too, but to put legitimately concerned people in the same bag before a proper investigation is dismissive, careless, neglectful and disrespectful and is exactly what causes mistrust towards these vaccines among people).

Is it always within 10 days after being vaccinated

Ultimately isn’t it safer that a medical agency completes a full review of recent reports of serious side effects concerning some batches or do people really think it’s best to ignore that and carry on regardless. ? It’s likely the report will confirm the vaccine is perfectly safe to use. As someone yet to get the vaccine I’d rather know they halted usage in meantime.

This is a pattern

There is no pattern. The "basic math", as you call it @twinklemom tells us that a certain percentage of the population will die from blood clotting issues. That percentage has not gone up as a result of the vaccine.

In one week's time, maximum two, all those countries will restart using the AZ vaccine. In the meantime, they get to blame their slow, patchy rollout on that delay.

@TadpolesInthe

I understand your fear, maybe don’t watch the news for a while?

My uncle went on a long haul flight 3 years ago and got a blood clot... these things happen.

37 in 17 million is sad but really it’s not worrying at all in regards to the vaccine.

They are not ignoring any recommendation. The EMA will publish their safety review this week. They have stated the benefits outweighs the risk at present but they have not recommended to continue usage of the vaccine regardless.

If the EMA are stating that the benefits outweigh the risks then they are recommending it.

Reassuring analysis here:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56360646

As the MMR showed, it is difficult to rebuild trust. I am worried as well that this will spread to the vaccines that rely on the same science such as Jansen. Leaving the more expensive and harder to store vaccines and the impact for developing countries.

@NoddyMcPintsAlot

Ultimately isn’t it safer that a medical agency completes a full review of recent reports of serious side effects concerning some batches or do people really think it’s best to ignore that and carry on regardless. ? It’s likely the report will confirm the vaccine is perfectly safe to use. As someone yet to get the vaccine I’d rather know they halted usage in meantime.

Again you then have to ask why they aren't taking the same precautions with the Pfizer vaccine, which has very similar issues.

It is either a problem with both or neither. It cannot possibly be a real issue for one but not the other.

Can't believe people are worrying about whether the vaccine causes blood clotting. The number of people this has happened to is incredibly small vs the number vaccinated and no higher than the number in unvaccinated people.

@lightand

fwiw, and I am hesitating in writing this, my blood issues started 3 months after covid [untested as March 2020]. Perhaps, and I too am rather sceptical about the blood clots/low platelets/haemorrhaging issue, it is possible that medical experts think the az vaccine will produce more problems in a few people, in the coming months. I really dont want to alarm people, and I really hope that this does not happen.

Covid does cause blood issues, that's a known fact. We don't know how many of these people had covid, which is more likely the cause. There have been trials, and the UK started vaccinations first; issues would be identified here first. Put all that aside for a moment though, the main reason WHO, EMA and others are confused is because the number of embolism seem are FEWER than would usually be identified from that number of people.

*Ultimately isn’t it safer that a medical agency completes a full review of recent reports of serious side effects concerning some batches or do people really think it’s best to ignore that and carry on regardless.^

It's not necessarily safer considering that the delay in vaccination could mean more people die of covid than would otherwise be the case.

Ultimately isn’t it safer that a medical agency completes a full review of recent reports of serious side effects concerning some batches or do people really think it’s best to ignore that and carry on regardless.

It's not necessarily safer considering that the delay in vaccination could mean more people die of covid than would otherwise be the case.

The halt is not due to the fact that vaccination may cause blot clots. It is in regards to 1 batch of 1 million vaccinations of Astra Zeneca. This batch is undergoing a safety review.

*blood

Haven't read the thread and this has probably already been mentioned. Is it not possible these people had covid? Or even long haul covid.

Covid is known to cause serious blood clotting issues. It takes 3 weeks for the vaccine to give any protection (which will be incomplete until 2nd dose) and therefore very feasible that someone catches covid in the meantime.

[quote OverTheRainbow88]@TadpolesInthe

I understand your fear, maybe don’t watch the news for a while?

My uncle went on a long haul flight 3 years ago and got a blood clot... these things happen.

37 in 17 million is sad but really it’s not worrying at all in regards to the vaccine.[/quote]
It took me ages to book it and have it as I get anxious and I told myself don’t be stupid

Now this. I’m sitting here crying this is so hard for me due to my issues I think I will have to turn my phone off
I have a new baby and I don’t want to leave her I thought I was doing the right thing and now I feel scared

Given the evidence that it’s safe, it seems to me that some EU countries are looking for any reason to rubbish the AZ vaccine. Call me a nasty cynic, but could it possibly be seen as a convenient excuse for their pitifully slow roll-out of any vaccine?

There are pages on Facebook where people are discussing adverse events.
It’s interesting less than 1% are reported to the Yellow Card system in UK or Vaers in US. UK is hellbent on shutting down any conversation about this, that makes me sceptical.
Unfortunately I think like many things is a bit of a gamble as to whether you will react or not I know people who have and also who have not. Weigh up the risks.

I was watching a news item and a doctor stated that around 3000 people a month have a blood clot ordinarily so because someone has a blood clot the same day it doesn't automatically mean the vaccine caused it.
It's a bit like X number have a heart attack a day so if someone has a heart attack the same day as having the vaccine it doesn't mean the vaccine caused it.

@GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER

Given the evidence that it’s safe, it seems to me that some EU countries are looking for any reason to rubbish the AZ vaccine. Call me a nasty cynic, but could it possibly be seen as a convenient excuse for their pitifully slow roll-out of any vaccine?

Exactly.... anyone had anything health related at all the same day as vaccine and is an excuse to rubbish it

It also means that the anxious become more anxious and the anti vaxers grab it and run with it and make massive assumptions and share the life out of it because it fits their agenda

@GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER

Given the evidence that it’s safe, it seems to me that some EU countries are looking for any reason to rubbish the AZ vaccine. Call me a nasty cynic, but could it possibly be seen as a convenient excuse for their pitifully slow roll-out of any vaccine?

How would delaying it further help with already slow roll outs ? It’s not just EU countries halting use. It’s only a small number of batches that are of concern.