Ireland halting the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

[Kaylasmum49]

This just came up on my phone. I had the AZ vaccine 10 days ago. I'm concerned about the news of blood clotting issues.

I give it one week before all those countries restart using AZ. Either that, or they have to state that they don't trust their own EMA.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

Well Pfizer has roughly the same amount of blood clots reported. So interesting choices being made by some countries. The stopping a batch whilst investigating a incident I understand. The rest is eyebrow raising

17 million people vaccinated

Less than 40 blood clot cases reported

Think I will take the risk

Well exactly. What is that, 1 in 425000?

There are still medicines prescribed with a proven risk of blood clots so why even if the AZ did cause clots in such tiny numbers it would mean the vaccine could not be used is beyond me.

So where do the EU countries go from here? They might as well stop the roll out AZ vaccine now, nobody will want to take it.

www.politico.eu/article/eu-countries-pause-oxford-astrazeneca-coronavirus-vaccine-regulator-vouches-for-safety/

Wakeupin2022

NoddyMcPintsAlot
I’m just shouting into a void here being completely ignored so I’ll leave you all in bliss ignorance ignoring what the issue is. The
Safety review and concerns are over a small number of batches that were released in EU countries not any UK batches.
Not all countries received that batch. And Spain used up all of the batch. Its not just a stopping of that batch.

The EMA safety review is regarding a small number of batches.

The halting of all vaccinations using Astra Zeneca is a precautionary measure whilst the review is ongoing- it’s a matter of public health and when we continue with the roll out of Astra Zeneca the public will require reassurance that ongoing safety reviews are conducted when issues arise, no matter how small those numbers are.
There’s serious paranoia on this thread, the EU bashing and it’s because it’s Brexit is really bizarre
I can’t fathom the thinking on this thread and I say that as someone who would take any vaccine going as I said earlier in the eye balls if necessary.

Apparently Spain has now suspended it too

My advice as I work in healthcare is simply stop reading the news. Listen to the scienctific advice , your GP or physician and no one else !!
These vaccines haven’t just been made in a few months. They were studying SARs for years and developing a SARS Covid vaccine until they had to pivot to work on the emergency of Covid-19 vaccine.

Constant social media amongst people who don’t know anything about the vaccines, the science, data or the killer disease which is Covid won’t help you other than to worry yourself to death !
Take the vaccine and be safe and well ☺️

[quote Baileysforchristmas]So where do the EU countries go from here? They might as well stop the roll out AZ vaccine now, nobody will want to take it.

www.politico.eu/article/eu-countries-pause-oxford-astrazeneca-coronavirus-vaccine-regulator-vouches-for-safety/[/quote]
It's another fucking shitshow they've caused, that's for sure.

All in the name of saving their jobs and blaming anyone but themselves.

@Umbivalent

I give it one week before all those countries restart using AZ. Either that, or they have to state that they don't trust their own EMA.

I said pretty much the same thing in a previous post. I will be amazed if this doesn't happen.

@Umbivalent

I give it one week before all those countries restart using AZ. Either that, or they have to state that they don't trust their own EMA.

Of course they will. The EMA review has not been published yet and most, dare I say all the countries who have halted usage are banking on the EMA review confirming the vaccine is safe to continue using. I’m clearly in the minority of those that are of the opinion that ongoing safety reviews of a new vaccine is a good thing.

changi I don't understand your post, I've already had the vaccine.

I am absolutely fuming with the Irish Govt who have relinquished all authority to unelected CMO and their team who halt the shambolic roll out on the reports of 4 peoples side effects in Norway. I mean just how many people will now get covid and possibly go on to die over the delay??
The vaccine numbers and the results on severe infection and subsequent hospitalization in the UK speak for themselves. Its horrendous. My mum is due her vaccine this week. Now what ??? This is all over Europe. Im baffled like some scientist quoted up thread. Its shocking. Saw in twitter people digging out nhs numbers and travelling to NI which isint right either. RoI have vaccinated i thought 12% of the population and in other threads and checking online some reckon its aslow as 3% here. My self and DH are vaccinated due to our jobs. Happy to not travel this yr but what way will we be next yr. Will we be ar 25% in 6 months. Its simply not good enough and the cautiosness / hesitancy of our Govt in making any decision in the best interests of the irish people is both jawdropping and terrifying.

There’s serious paranoia on this thread, the EU bashing and it’s because it’s Brexit is really bizarre

I do think some of the behaviour to the UK is related to Brexit (and I think brexit is the most stupid thing we have done). Its not good for the EU that UK is doing better on the vaccine front.

But that aside that's not really bothering me. We are I am sure big enough and ugly enough to take some unwarranted attacks from EU / EU Member states politicians / journalists.

I am saddened that the choices that are being made are going to cost lives on the continent.

I am angry that this will undoubtedly result in some in the UK not getting vaccinated that will make my children and my family / friends less safe.

I am beyond livid, that these decisions are going to result in fewer people in the developing world take the vaccine because of the scaremongering in the EU / EEA countries.

That for me is completely unforgiveable.

Are we to be prisoners in our own country for years ?? Like what will change for us all next year if the vaccination pace continues to stop and start ? Its nightmarish. Count yourselves lucky UK and NI mumsnetters that ye have a great roll out and end dates which hopefully will be abided to.

@Grimbelina

This might reassure you:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56357760

With so many millions of doses administered just in the UK, I think we would hear if there were a significant number of these events don't you?

Good...more for doses the UK! Let's get out of the prison we've all been living in. From being an Army child having many vacs every 6 months....just get it into me asap. And let's now see how beneficent the EU are to those poorer countries in dire need.

I am incredibly thankful Radyward.

Do you think EU countries will turn to the Russian vaccine?

The EU now looks set to embrace Russia's Sputnik V Covid jab even as its leaders shun British-made AstraZeneca vaccines, with multiple countries halting its use over fears it could cause blood clots.

European factories are gearing up to produce Russia's coronavirus vaccine as regulators move closer to approving it in the hopes of speeding up the continent's shambolic roll-out. Kirill Dmitriev, head of Russia's Direct Investment Fund which bank-rolled the Sputnik V jab, said today it has reached agreements with Italy, Spain, France and Germany to begin making the jab.

The factories will then be used to supply Sputnik V vaccines to Europe 'once approval is granted by the European Medicines Agency,' Dimitriev said, in what would be a major PR coup for Vladimir Putin.

@Radyward

Are we to be prisoners in our own country for years ?? Like what will change for us all next year if the vaccination pace continues to stop and start ? Its nightmarish. Count yourselves lucky UK and NI mumsnetters that ye have a great roll out and end dates which hopefully will be abided to.

Ireland won't continue like that @Radyward, the pace well speed up when vaccine quantity does. In the very worst case, as soon as UK are vaccinated the excess supply would be for RoI, then developing countries. It's self-interest with our shared border.

@Radyward

I am absolutely fuming with the Irish Govt who have relinquished all authority to unelected CMO and their team who halt the shambolic roll out on the reports of 4 peoples side effects in Norway. I mean just how many people will now get covid and possibly go on to die over the delay?? The vaccine numbers and the results on severe infection and subsequent hospitalization in the UK speak for themselves. Its horrendous. My mum is due her vaccine this week. Now what ??? This is all over Europe. Im baffled like some scientist quoted up thread. Its shocking. Saw in twitter people digging out nhs numbers and travelling to NI which isint right either. RoI have vaccinated i thought 12% of the population and in other threads and checking online some reckon its aslow as 3% here. My self and DH are vaccinated due to our jobs. Happy to not travel this yr but what way will we be next yr. Will we be ar 25% in 6 months. Its simply not good enough and the cautiosness / hesitancy of our Govt in making any decision in the best interests of the irish people is both jawdropping and terrifying.

Ireland’s infection numbers and deaths are going down, ICU numbers are the lowest since December, and that’s with only a very small percentage of the population vaccinated. A very high percentage of the most vulnerable are vaccinated, Vaccinations are still continuing. The slow roll out is very frustrating but we are getting there. 2 million J&J vaccines are due in Ireland by early summer - enough to vaccinate half the population in 1 dose. It’s. Its not as bad as social media would have you believe.

@Wakeupin2022

There’s serious paranoia on this thread, the EU bashing and it’s because it’s Brexit is really bizarre

I do think some of the behaviour to the UK is related to Brexit (and I think brexit is the most stupid thing we have done). Its not good for the EU that UK is doing better on the vaccine front.

But that aside that's not really bothering me. We are I am sure big enough and ugly enough to take some unwarranted attacks from EU / EU Member states politicians / journalists.

I am saddened that the choices that are being made are going to cost lives on the continent.

I am angry that this will undoubtedly result in some in the UK not getting vaccinated that will make my children and my family / friends less safe.

I am beyond livid, that these decisions are going to result in fewer people in the developing world take the vaccine because of the scaremongering in the EU / EEA countries.

That for me is completely unforgiveable.

Yes i won’t deny the ramifications could be huge but I really do not think they will be, it a blip and will be all over in a day or two. I personally and many many others in countries that have halted the use of this 1 vaccine, temporarily, believe slow and cautious and to carry out due diligence is as catastrophic as some seem to believe or have been lead to believe it is.

The UK have done an excellent job with the roll out there is no doubt about that. I don’t believe there is any political motivation to the halting of the Astra Zeneca vaccines as I refuse to believe that EU leaders would play with lives for political gain. It may be the case but for my sanity I refuse to believe the leaders of my country would stoop to this level. The NIAC on this evenings news made a very compelling and reassuring statement as to why we have temporarily halted vaccinations I prefer to believe those who are tasked with the national health of the country than conspiracy theorists.

I sure hope so @Noddymcpintsalot @MRex
It is difficult to have much hope given the small numbers of vaccinators working at the helix and Bally brit. Major vaccine hubs supposedly .If/when the uk helps us out .Simon Coveny should scuttle away shamefaced at his posturing during brexit.it felt like backstabbing our nearest neighbour to cosy up to UVDL who used us like pawns. I feel he should have gone bargaining to BJ and promoted Ireland as a trading hub to work with Uk not against it though i know he was probably shackled by UVDL. If uk helps ROI we should be v v grateful

• I, personally and many many others in countries that have halted the use of this 1 vaccine, temporarily, believe slow and cautious and to carry out due diligence is not as catastrophic as some seem to believe or have been lead to believe it is

@knittingaddict thats great. Its admirable. Some of my siblings live in Scotland and are all vaccinated . My parents in their 80's still waiting here in ROI hopefully not for too long more

The Astra Zenica vaccine has been made in collaboration with Italy. And Italy has now suspended the vaccine.

I am advised by a GP that a blood clot will occur very shortly after the vaccine is administered .. and not days after .?

@Aruva

I am advised by a GP that a blood clot will occur very shortly after the vaccine is administered .. and not days after .?

Or, 99.9999999% more likely, won't happen based on any relationship with the time at which a vaccine was administered.