Ireland halting the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

[Kaylasmum49]

This just came up on my phone. I had the AZ vaccine 10 days ago. I'm concerned about the news of blood clotting issues.

But immunity from Covid apparently only lasts 6 months.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

But immunity from Covid apparently only lasts 6 months.

Where did you read that?

It doesn't match data I have seen. I'd be interested to read it.

@MRex but that is what op questioned why has only one been stopped if the other has also had cases

Interestingly the cases that European countries say they are concerned about are only listed as DVT, which means the UK numbers are even smaller than for any type of embolism, stroke etc (which are the numbers I added before). 14/15 cases on MHRA yellow card reporting out of over 24 million first doses for Oxford/ Pfizer, sadly we'd expect far more than 1 in a million to get DVT normally. EU cases are 30 out of 5 million vaccines - again a tiny proportion that's lower than the normal number of DVT cases. It's good to investigate any commonality among those affected, but lengthy pauses in the vaccine programme may do more harm ultimately and it's uncomfortable that the individual countries are taking a range of individual actions rather than coordinating through the EMA, who are actually responsible for approval and safety.

@CuriousaboutSamphire i have read that as well , the reality is they don't know but there has been people on here who have caught it twice in that time period

@MRex how comes it is only az they have stopped is that showing higher cases than pfizer in the eu ?
Im quite concerned as due my first jab and due to location think its likely to be az i get

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@CuriousaboutSamphire i have read that as well , the reality is they don't know but there has been people on here who have caught it twice in that time period[/quote]
I was wondering immunity conferred by what? Infection or vaccine?

We have known for ages that we can catch covid multiple times. That's what mutations exist for! It isn't a new concept.

Same for the vaccine, hence the possible need for boosters. But I was wondering about the 6 months timescale given... given the time the vaccine rollout has been going on.

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@MRex but that is what op questioned why has only one been stopped if the other has also had cases [/quote]
The numbers I put are for UK. We can see it isn't an issue for the UK; as a majority are UK posters I think that's helpful messaging for anyone who might have to go for a jab.

30 from 5 million jabs in the EU looks so low as to not be an issue in the EU either, and the EMA has said it's below the normal population levels of DVT. We don't know the number of EU cases linked to Pfizer, every country does side effect tracking a bit differently; I expect they may be equivalent but I don't know how to find that information.
There is likely some influence from Oxford Astrazeneca opinions in the EU; so many politicians, journalists and random scientists have made comments on efficacy / safety that people are more consciously looking for issues and patterns. You can't have senior politicians call a vaccine "quasi-ineffective" (Macron) and not have that create concern. Pfizer doesn't have those perception issues (early concerns about sudden death in Norway were shown to be nothing to do with the vaccine, just that very elderly people die), so it isn't necessary to pause Pfizer vaccinations.

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@MRex how comes it is only az they have stopped is that showing higher cases than pfizer in the eu ?
Im quite concerned as due my first jab and due to location think its likely to be az i get [/quote]
Location doesn't influence which vaccine you'll get though - at least I don't think it does. DH and I both had ours in the same place, but mine was a few days before his. I had the AZ and he had the Pfizer vaccine.

... sorry, to finish my post - I asked the doctor who gave me my injection how come it was the AZ vaccine, and he said it all depended on which vaccine they'd been sent that day.

OP how are you feeling?

I’m a cautious and watching with interest. I suspect I will have to take the jab to protect others even though I would rather not

I am reassured by the numbers to be honest. I think the chance of longer lasting side effects is relatively low, if you look at the millions of people now vaccinated.

Try not to worry too much and discuss your concerns with people who are sensible and kind (I.e. not mumsnet!)

@donewithitalltodayandxmas - it may not help, but I'm also expecting AZ when I go for my jab tomorrow. I've read a lot of trial data, research papers, trawled side effects through MHRA yellow card reporting etc etc. And I'm very happy to have AZ. Or Pfizer, on the offchance I get that. Either look safe and highly effective.

@BIWI i know not totally it doesn't it just seems az is the one given mostly at this location, just in a supermarket tent kind of set up and this is what people in general seem to get , Im aware in the day it could be either

Location can influence which you get. I wanted AZ if possible (and still very happy with my choice) and booked to go to a Superdrug as I knew they only had AZ.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

But immunity from Covid apparently only lasts 6 months.

6-8+ months according to recent studies. Expected to last longer.

It’s interesting that the Stroke advert has started being shown on tv again. Just a coincidence I’m sure.

Pregnant women can't be vaccinated and are at higher risk of ending up in ICU.

@MRex I think you're incorrect there. In fact, some countries are urging pregnant women to have the vaccine as there are some associated risks of stillbirth with covid.

Pregnant women can be vaccinated but its on a case by case basis and depends on other underlying conditions and whether the risk of the vaccine outweighs other risks

@dementedpixie

Pregnant women can be vaccinated but its on a case by case basis and depends on other underlying conditions and whether the risk of the vaccine outweighs other risks

Yes, I think NHS not supporting vaccination in pregnant women yet, but other countries are? Not sure where I read it, might have been on here.

@Dominica21 yep. He is so utterly fed up with the shambles. I was shocked too. He wants to vote for the party that supports Nexit.

@Donotfeedthebears

It’s interesting that the Stroke advert has started being shown on tv again. Just a coincidence I’m sure.

I think that's just your brain registering it because of the connection. It's been running for months, may never have been taken off rotation. I only noticed last year it because next door had a stroke last October.

www.rcog.org.uk/en/guidelines-research-services/coronavirus-covid-19-pregnancy-and-womens-health/covid-19-vaccines-and-pregnancy/covid-19-vaccines-pregnancy-and-breastfeeding/ uk info

www.acog.org/clinical/clinical-guidance/practice-advisory/articles/2020/12/vaccinating-pregnant-and-lactating-patients-against-covid-19 US advice

@TheKeatingFive

If people recover from infection they are also contributing to herd immunity.

They’re also risking creating mutations, risking passing it on to vulnerable who can’t be vaxxed, risking having to be hospitalised and putting pressure on the system (which is a smaller/less consequential risk than the first two, but not nothing).

You’ve been told this multiple times. It does not appear to have gone in.

Thank you for that post. Banging your head against the proverbial brick wall is getting painful, isn't it.

Just listening to Radio2 and Dr Sarah is being exceptionally clear about the figures and the multiple factors involved.

Global data - clotting issues in those after vaccine is way below the population in normal times, by a huge factor!

UK data which includes isues with platelets, increasing the numbers - still way below the population occurence in normal times.

Data from China - even more disparity between covid data and normal population mumbers. Well known in the medical committee, published last year.

So... what is going on? If the clotting issue was looked at last year and found to not have any significance why is it still being dragged out and used to discredit one of the vaccines, especially as the data is the same for all currently in use!

Committee - community! Sorry!