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Ireland halting the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

869 replies

Kaylasmum49 · 14/03/2021 09:50

This just came up on my phone. I had the AZ vaccine 10 days ago. I'm concerned about the news of blood clotting issues.

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Wakeupin2022 · 15/03/2021 08:25

@bumbleymummy

When non-EU countries have also stopped using the AZ vaccine pending investigations into blood clots. What political agenda do they have?
Norway and Iceland were part of the EU vaccination programme. So any delivery delays by AZ impact them also.
Wakeupin2022 · 15/03/2021 08:27

Thailand is restarting it.

UsedUpUsername · 15/03/2021 08:32

@RedcurrantPuff

I don’t think you know what the point of vaccination is, *@UsedUpUsername*
Herd immunity is probably not achievable with COVID through the vaccine. We don’t know how long immunity lasts or whether you can still transmit it. It will probably become a seasonal virus.

So, yes, it seems that the vulnerable should take it along with those who want it just in case.

BIWI · 15/03/2021 08:33

@UsedUpUsername

We divide by age group and it looks very different though. Why get vaccinated for something extremely unlikely to kill you?

It doesn’t make much sense for younger people that do not live with elderly family or work with vulnerable populations

This is simply not the case. Worse, if we don't deal with the virus and allow it to run unchecked - as is the case in Brazil - newer variants develop, and the latest one is very much affecting younger people.

as reported here

You would be very foolish indeed to believe that you don't need the vaccine just because you're young. And also, just a reminder that the vaccine isn't just to protect you, it's to protect the rest of us as well.

TheKeatingFive · 15/03/2021 08:34

Nphet / cmo are power crazy and fame crazy at the cost of stressing out 2/3 of the population

I know right. They need to be reigned in right now, it’s ridiculous. They’re advisors. We shouldn’t know their goddamn names, but they’d effectively running the country.

Only because Martin is weak enough to let them mind you. I have no words for that man.

bumbleymummy · 15/03/2021 08:53

[quote BIWI]@UsedUpUsername

We divide by age group and it looks very different though. Why get vaccinated for something extremely unlikely to kill you?

It doesn’t make much sense for younger people that do not live with elderly family or work with vulnerable populations

This is simply not the case. Worse, if we don't deal with the virus and allow it to run unchecked - as is the case in Brazil - newer variants develop, and the latest one is very much affecting younger people.

as reported here

You would be very foolish indeed to believe that you don't need the vaccine just because you're young. And also, just a reminder that the vaccine isn't just to protect you, it's to protect the rest of us as well.[/quote]
Why am I foolish when I can see that, statistically, I am incredibly unlikely to become seriously ill/die from covid?

Viruses mutate all the time. The vaccine can be tweaked for the more vulnerable if required. It could just as easily mutate into something milder.

notimagain · 15/03/2021 09:03

Elections coming up and he is even considering voting far right as they are for coming out of the EU

As an amateur I'm far from convinced the stats support a ban on AZ, given the risk vs. benefits but how are people making the stretch to blaming "the EU" for decisions taken at a national level by some countries?

It's also interesting (to me) that when it suits the EU bashers they'll claim that"Brussels" does what Germany and France say and yet neither of those countries have banned the AZ vaccine...

knittingaddict · 15/03/2021 09:13

Why am I foolish when I can see that, statistically, I am incredibly unlikely to become seriously ill/die from covid?

Because bumbleymummy, and I know you've been told this multiple times already, successful vaccination programs are about as many as possible being vaccinated to reduce spread. Once again, it's willful ignorance on display. It's not just about you.

SilverGlitterBaubles · 15/03/2021 09:21

@Radyward I agree re passport office being shut this is completely unacceptable. Can you imagine the backlog when they do eventually reopen? This also impacts Irish abroad who cannot get passports issued and as PPs have said passports are needed for a variety of reasons not just to pop off on a holiday.

EasterIssland · 15/03/2021 09:25

Just seen this in another thread
Coronavirus Good News on Twitter posted this:
The UK has given over 10 million doses of both the Oxford and Pfizer vaccine.
Number of blood clot related events:
Oxford = 13
Pfizer = 15
These numbers are no higher than what is seen in the general population (no increased risk).

Circumlocutious · 15/03/2021 09:25

It's not the 'tweaking' of the vaccine that's the challenge, it's the months-long, expensive rollout to millions of vulnerable people...

bumbleymummy · 15/03/2021 09:35

@knittingaddict

Why am I foolish when I can see that, statistically, I am incredibly unlikely to become seriously ill/die from covid?

Because bumbleymummy, and I know you've been told this multiple times already, successful vaccination programs are about as many as possible being vaccinated to reduce spread. Once again, it's willful ignorance on display. It's not just about you.

It’s about multiple people being immune to reduce spread. If people recover from infection they are also contributing to herd immunity. You’ve been told this multiple times too.
TheKeatingFive · 15/03/2021 09:36

It's not the 'tweaking' of the vaccine that's the challenge, it's the months-long, expensive rollout to millions of vulnerable people...

This

TheKeatingFive · 15/03/2021 09:39

If people recover from infection they are also contributing to herd immunity.

They’re also risking creating mutations, risking passing it on to vulnerable who can’t be vaxxed, risking having to be hospitalised and putting pressure on the system (which is a smaller/less consequential risk than the first two, but not nothing).

You’ve been told this multiple times. It does not appear to have gone in.

bumbleymummy · 15/03/2021 09:49

Yes, all the millions of unvaccinated children offer that opportunity too. Hmm

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Kaylasmum49 · 15/03/2021 09:53

I don't understand why they haven't halted the use of the Pfizer vaccine if there has been incidents of blood clots after using that vaccine.

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AlecTrevelyan006 · 15/03/2021 09:54

Holland was due to vaccinate 300k people in the next 2 weeks. At the moment they are confirming a case in every 3000 people each day, so over 2 weeks that could be 1 in every 200/220 people. Of the 300k due to be vaccinated 1400/1500 could catch the virus instead of being vaccinated.

They have also reported that 1.4% of all of their confirmed cases went on to die. So if 1400 caught the virus who might not have done if they received the vaccine about 20 will die.

How many have died of blood clots having had the vaccine?

Idiots!

BIWI · 15/03/2021 09:54

... and work is already being done to research/develop the vaccine amongst and for children.

bumbleymummy · 15/03/2021 09:58

You seem to think the JCVI got it completely wrong when they identified the groups most likely to be hospitalised. They prioritised those groups to stop hospitals being overwhelmed. Yes, there may be some people who can’t be vaccinated that end up in hospital. That does not mean that the hospitals will be ‘overwhelmed’ by them.

MRex · 15/03/2021 09:58

@Kaylasmum49

I don't understand why they haven't halted the use of the Pfizer vaccine if there has been incidents of blood clots after using that vaccine.
It hasn't been stopped because there are fewer people dying of blood clots after taking either Pfizer or Astrazeneca than in the normal population. That means it's very unlikely to be the vaccine that caused the blood clot in either case.
TheKeatingFive · 15/03/2021 10:05

Yes, all the millions of unvaccinated children offer that opportunity too

That can’t be helped right now, but adults refusing the vaccine can.

Trials among kids are ongoing.

MRex · 15/03/2021 10:06

@bumbleymummy

You seem to think the JCVI got it completely wrong when they identified the groups most likely to be hospitalised. They prioritised those groups to stop hospitals being overwhelmed. Yes, there may be some people who can’t be vaccinated that end up in hospital. That does not mean that the hospitals will be ‘overwhelmed’ by them.
Pregnant women can't be vaccinated and are at higher risk of ending up in ICU. Cancer sufferers are less likely to get strong enough immunity from a vaccine to prevent serious illness and death. A proportion of elderly people are more likely to not get strong enough immunity to prevent serious illness and death. Children can't be vaccinated yet, but vaccines are likely later this year. Until then, a much higher proportion of adults need to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity and protect those vulnerable people. Your decision not to be vaccinated based on your own assessment of risk will actually add risk to every pregnant person, cancer sufferer and elderly person who is near you. The risk of side effects is around 1 in 10, and most of those are very mild (e.g. headache for an afternoon, sorted by paracetamol). Please think about the impact on others as well as yourself.
bumbleymummy · 15/03/2021 10:09

@AlecTrevelyan006

Holland was due to vaccinate 300k people in the next 2 weeks. At the moment they are confirming a case in every 3000 people each day, so over 2 weeks that could be 1 in every 200/220 people. Of the 300k due to be vaccinated 1400/1500 could catch the virus instead of being vaccinated.

They have also reported that 1.4% of all of their confirmed cases went on to die. So if 1400 caught the virus who might not have done if they received the vaccine about 20 will die.

How many have died of blood clots having had the vaccine?

Idiots!

confirmed cases key words there. Around 80% of cases are mild/asymptomatic and may not be tested.

... and work is already being done to research/develop the vaccine amongst and for children.

And you’re not worried about the danger of all those potential mutations in the meantime? I guess the virus must know that it should only mutate when it is in a person who has chosen not to be vaccinated rather than the millions of people throughout the U.K. and further afield who haven’t been offered the vaccine yet. Hmm

bumbleymummy · 15/03/2021 10:13

a much higher proportion of adults need to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity and protect those vulnerable people.

A higher proportion of people need to be immune. Whether you like it or not, children being infected and recovering are also contributing to herd immunity - along with all the adults who have been infected and recovered over the last year and the adults who will be infected and recover in the coming months.