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Ireland halting the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

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Kaylasmum49 · 14/03/2021 09:50

This just came up on my phone. I had the AZ vaccine 10 days ago. I'm concerned about the news of blood clotting issues.

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kittensarecute · 14/03/2021 18:04

@Kaylasmum49

This just came up on my phone. I had the AZ vaccine 10 days ago. I'm concerned about the news of blood clotting issues.
Oh shit, I had it yesterday, I'm scared now.
IrishMamaMia · 14/03/2021 18:06

Please don't be scared @kittensarecute so many people have had this without issue, myself included. Obviously seek medical attention if you develop the symptoms of a clot but it's quite unlikely.

Aloethere · 14/03/2021 18:15

@Sooverthis1

Yes, schools started back two weeks ago , my point was that in the UK schools were kept open for key worker children and children with sn, here not. Also I think in the UK you opened up schools in 2020 in June, again we didn't and shut down earlier. In total it's been almost 8 months of school closures and non of my kids had a single online lesson. This is not the schools fault , it's a pandemic but we have had a very, very strict lockdown in comparison to other countries. Look at France! I'd happily live with a curfew, we effectively have one. And not being able to go further than 5km..
How is it not the schools fault that your kids have not had a single online lesson? My primary school child has a lesson a day along with extra yoga classes twice a week and my secondary school child has lessons from 9-4 everyday. I would say it is very much your schools fault.

Everybody is fed up, the 5km restriction is very tiring, I haven't seen outside of my small town this year nor have my kids but this is supposed to be changing at the start of April and all school children back after Easter.

From what I have read it would seem to be a week until they expect to have the data they are looking for to ensure that they feel safe going ahead with AZ and the amount of AZ vaccs that we have as far as I am aware are not that large in the whole scheme of things anyway. So I would imagine that they would be able to stick those in arms pretty quickly if they decide it is safe to do so.

I think the turning point for Ireland will be the j&j vaccine, we have 2 million of them ordered and considering they are 1 shot vaccines that is a whole heap of the population.

The vaccination roll out has been incredibly slow though and people are frustrated. Who knew we had so many health care workers and people in care homes that it has taken 2 months just to fully vaccinate them?

Sooverthis1 · 14/03/2021 18:29

Good point @Aloethere and you're right re it's slow anyway so if it only takes a week it prob won't make a huge difference at this stage. It's a total shitshow here anyway. Can't believe what I saw re 300 at a funeral...
Yeah, think I was careful in what I was saying there as the last time I mentioned here our primary school is closed I was told off by a teacher from Ireland saying they weren't "closed" as they were all teaching everyday. Ours were not at all and I was covering the syllabus myself. I just meant the pandemic obvs isn't anyone's fault. And absolutely secondary teachers have been giving a full timetable of online classes , not at all for us in primary and no recorded lessons either.
I really think the Irish public need some positivity though...

Bluenightowl · 14/03/2021 18:40

it's literally halting a part of an already slow vaccine program

It’s the responsible thing to do. Wait and see. A few extra months won’t make any difference and could save lives which is the point of rolling out a vaccination programme. We can’t discount lives because it’s only a few/they were old/they were going to die anyway/we are fed up.

I’m saying this as someone who had my first (and last) shot of AZ already. Wait for J&J!

rippledegg · 14/03/2021 18:48

It's possible there are commercial interests from other vaccine producers to discredit AZ.

Side effects should (and will most likely be) properly investigated

Bluenightowl · 14/03/2021 18:55

It's possible there are commercial interests from other vaccine producers to discredit AZ

Then the others will be discredited too. Except they aren’t......

Don’t feed into the anti EU propaganda the Uk are being fed. The EU want vaccines. They aren’t going to discredit one deliberately.

Boris screwed up tremendously with his notion of herd immunity and is desperately trying to hold UK as the vaccine leader. The population are buying into it. They have no choice. But we don’t have to follow suit. The responsible thing is to press pause. Hopefully the AZ can be proved safe and resume but let’s wait for that to happen.

Etulosba · 14/03/2021 18:58

Oh shit, I had it yesterday, I'm scared now

I've had the AZ vaccine since starting reading this thread. I am not worried.

Blood clots are not particularly uncommon so it stands to reason that some people who have recently had the AZ vaccine will get blood clots too.

IrishMamaMia · 14/03/2021 19:00

@Bluenightowl well it has actually been proven that a swift vaccination programme will save more lives bit don't let that get in the way of the Brit bashing :)

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 14/03/2021 19:01

I had it yesterday too.

I think it’s all a stupid storm in a teacup.

Bluenightowl · 14/03/2021 19:02

It isn’t Brit bashing, it’s called being responsible. I’ve had AZ. I want it to be safe. Pressing pause is the safest thing we can do for now.

3asAbird · 14/03/2021 19:04

If I was looking at the side effects and how its improved hospitalizations.
I would be looking at uk for az
Israel for phizer

Probably America for moderna as proportionally they the ones most given and available.
My understanding least in UK is very few long term side effects and less risk getting seriously ill or in hospital.

We have seen these 4 have issues with production making vaccines is complicated.
Whats to say janson who making Johnson and Johnson won't have production yeold issues and arrive later than planned or not meet the quantities of orders made.
Cant remember where I read it but I thought j and j had lower efficiency than Oxford az.

But let's be honest we have never in history developed and manufactured vaccines so quickly.
Theres still so many questions about all brands.
Ie long term side effects
Does it block transmission
Is it effective new varients.

We all guini pigs so to speak as they apl done 1 to 3 trials.
The true test is in the population

Buf do many countries been locked down so long they just want normal life and not to die.
Even if az doesn't block covid completely if its stops hospitalisation or death than its worth something.

Hopefully Ireland had their 2nd wave of Kent variant same time as UK and not in grip of 3rd wave like other countries within Europe.
The real worry scientists seems to be south African or Brazilian varient and no idea how much Ireland has of either.
Hopefully they have some time but banking on another vaccine to come soon like a Knight in shining armour and virus to go away in summer I don't think will happen.
Unless they can get more modern or phizer in mean time this seems like risky strategy.
I think they still playing to Europe that they loyal politically when I think most of uk would agree we should give uk spare vaccines to Ireland we share land border we have a lot in common.
But think they already said they don't want uk help and know they temporarily rejecting az the one we do make in uk.

IrishMamaMia · 14/03/2021 19:04

I really don't agree @Bluenightowl and I wish Ireland were getting jabs in arms much more quickly. AZ is safe from the evidence that I can see.

pinkearedcow · 14/03/2021 19:26

We all guini pigs so to speak as they apl done 1 to 3 trials.
The true test is in the population

We are NOT guinea pigs. What does "apl done 1 to 3 trials" mean?

lightand · 14/03/2021 19:32

@pinkearedcow

*We all guini pigs so to speak as they apl done 1 to 3 trials. The true test is in the population*

We are NOT guinea pigs. What does "apl done 1 to 3 trials" mean?

Well they are unregulated. So DH was told when he had the vaccination today.
pinkearedcow · 14/03/2021 19:33

What do you mean by unregulated @lightand?

PrimulaAuricula · 14/03/2021 19:35

I've got my jab booked on Thursday and I'd be gutted if England pressed pause before it. I'd be delighted to have AZ. 11 million vaccinated with it already and no issues. Probably easier to be blasé about pressing pause if you've already had it though! It's getting Covid I'm worried about!

Cookerhood · 14/03/2021 19:36

They are incredibly regulated. What do you mean?

pinkearedcow · 14/03/2021 19:41

I wonder if @lightand's DH was talking about the spacing of the Pfizerdoses? I can't think what else it could be.

lightand · 14/03/2021 19:42

I am only going by what he said he was told as the/a lady entered his details on a computer[I wasnt there, I was outside in the car]. I dont know anything more than that.

I presume she meant this?
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/unregulated-unlicensed-trial-gp-concerned-19689415

lightand · 14/03/2021 19:42

He had AZ.

pinkearedcow · 14/03/2021 19:44

So that is not the same as the vaccines being unregulated, is it?

SilverGlitterBaubles · 14/03/2021 19:44

@IrishMamaMia

I really don't agree *@Bluenightowl* and I wish Ireland were getting jabs in arms much more quickly. AZ is safe from the evidence that I can see.
Agreed. At this point the social, mental and economic impact of the continuing lockdown with no hope or end in sight is causing serious harm and will probably claim more lives along with Covid than any risk of possible vaccine side effect.
pinkearedcow · 14/03/2021 19:48

I think your husband must have hugely misunderstood @lightand

Motorina · 14/03/2021 19:51

@Silverandgoldsparkles

Very few blood clots recently will have been reported on the yellow card system as it's a new thing to have been publicised and most people (including doctors in A&E) will not immediately make the connection.
The yellow card system is not new. It's been in place all my practicing life (over 25 years - it used to, pre-internet, be literally a yellow card you wrote on and posted off) and I would be astonished if there are any doctors out there who haven't heard of it.
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