Ireland halting the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

[Kaylasmum49]

This just came up on my phone. I had the AZ vaccine 10 days ago. I'm concerned about the news of blood clotting issues.

There have been cases of blood clots with the Pfizer... why is that vaccine not being snubbed?

AZ isn’t a ‘damaged brand’ in ROI.

Have you read what people are saying? AZ is not trusted. For now, that is the right decision. More research must be done before they jab more into people’s arms. It’s called being responsible!

@Kaylasmum49

minchinfin I am actually overweight due to a condition called lipoedema and due to severe depression and anxiety over the last few years my activity levels have been very low. I don't smoke. My mum died from a stroke aged 45. I am very concerned about this news.

Do you know if your mam died from a stroke caused by a clot or a stroke caused by a bleeding blood vessel? Can understand your anxiety about clots if she has a clot at a young age but many strokes are caused by burst blood vessels / aneurysms not by clots.

Also there numbers really are tiny. At present it’s not been shown there is any increased risk of clots at all. They are just being cautious.

public health reminder
There's no evidence that anyone's blood clots reported after Pfizer were caused by the Pfizer vaccine, any more than there is right not for Astrazeneca. It's just standard that within a few weeks of vaccination anything at all by way of new medical issue gets reported in the yellow card scheme.

AZ is not trusted. For now, that is the right decision.

But when the alternative is many more months of lockdown.

Meanwhile, the U.K. death rates have plummeted, the country is getting ready to open up. No major problems reported in the millions who have had AZ.

I know where I’d rather be.

@MRex

* public health reminder * There's no evidence that anyone's blood clots reported after Pfizer were caused by the Pfizer vaccine, any more than there is right not for Astrazeneca. It's just standard that within a few weeks of vaccination anything at all by way of new medical issue gets reported in the yellow card scheme.

Just to second that very important Public Health Message

There is always something that is going to be reported about the vaccine, and some bad after affects in a very small amount of people, it is just information, that goes world wide, and has to be noted by the medical and vaccine experts. It's not meant to shock people, but there will always be people who will now get fearful about this information.

This move creates a real danger of that, agreed.

You can maybe not tell by my posts, but I am actually pro EU .

I just think that because of previous decisions that were made, the doubt had been sown, even if data from UK was very promising.

I am not saying that all possible illness/ death after a vaccine should not be investigated, but I do think all vaccines should be treated equally.

I genuinely don't think that is happening. When Norway reported 23 deaths possibly linked to Pfizer vaccine, why did Norway and indeed tbe ROI not suspend the Pfizer Rollout? (I am no way implying there is an issue with the Pfizer vaccine- it's what my parents had).

And because the brand is tarnished, I think it would have been better to go a bit with kid gloves here. Look behind the scenes, definitely, but not make decisions purely for political reasons that will most likely cost irish lives.

I heard that Martin spoke to Soirot on Friday - I am guessing he didn't get the answers he wanted?

But when the alternative is many more months of lockdown.

It’s just a few more months, we have survived a year. The death count is reducing. It could wipe itself out by the summer anyway. Hang on in there.

Wipe itself out by summer?

Where did you read that?

Hang on in there.

I’m done. Sorry.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Wipe itself out by summer?

Where did you read that?

Donald Trump's Guide to Covid-19?

😁

Vaccinator here. It keeps coming up & people have already mentioned it but the reason for asking about blood thinners is that.you might bleed a bit after the injection so will be offered a plaster or cotton wool to press on it. Not because they think you might get a blood clot.

I'm glad it's being investigated. I've had two DVTs one while on high dose injections to prevent them. My niece and bil have received their first dose of AZ recently and both of them were sick after it. I'm actually hoping by the time I'm getting vaccinated it'll be the Johnson and johnson one shot one. At the rate Ireland is going it'll probably be 2022 by the time I'll be rolling up my sleeve though.

Due mine next week , can anyone tell me where they see link re: pakistan also postponing as I can't seem to find it

But it's not just ppl getting fearful about negative information, it's literally halting a part of an already slow vaccine program. We, in Ireland have been in a very strict lockdown for months, we were in a strict lockdown for 6 weeks before Christmas and then all hell broke lose with the new variant and loads coming home for Christmas..... We had no schools for key workers or those with sn etc. We have absolutely no roadmap on when things will open, we can't go further than 5km (loads of family abroad and this rule seems to be unique to us). I think things are actually starting to unravel here, there's absolutely no hope at all given by our government and now this.
Basically it's very hard to hear that they are halting this over what appears to be minimal risk. Wtaf like, I think most plp know that vaccines carry a risk and if literally millions of the UK have been vaccinated using this vaccine with little side effects I can't understand why they are making a bad situation here even worse. I agree with what you have said @TheKeatingFive

Basically it's very hard to hear that they are halting this over what appears to be minimal risk. Wtaf like, I think most plp know that vaccines carry a risk and if literally millions of the UK have been vaccinated using this vaccine with little side effects I can't understand why they are making a bad situation here even worse

Exactly this. I don’t know what they think they’re doing.

Also does anyone know the numbers for both pfizer and az as sure I have read pfizer have had cases as well ?

Someone posted and linked them upthread.

@Sooverthis1

But it's not just ppl getting fearful about negative information, it's literally halting a part of an already slow vaccine program. We, in Ireland have been in a very strict lockdown for months, we were in a strict lockdown for 6 weeks before Christmas and then all hell broke lose with the new variant and loads coming home for Christmas..... We had no schools for key workers or those with sn etc. We have absolutely no roadmap on when things will open, we can't go further than 5km (loads of family abroad and this rule seems to be unique to us). I think things are actually starting to unravel here, there's absolutely no hope at all given by our government and now this. Basically it's very hard to hear that they are halting this over what appears to be minimal risk. Wtaf like, I think most plp know that vaccines carry a risk and if literally millions of the UK have been vaccinated using this vaccine with little side effects I can't understand why they are making a bad situation here even worse. I agree with what you have said *@TheKeatingFive*

Haven’t schools started going back in Ireland over the last few weeks? Different year groups? I thought there were dates given for that.

Yes, schools started back two weeks ago , my point was that in the UK schools were kept open for key worker children and children with sn, here not. Also I think in the UK you opened up schools in 2020 in June, again we didn't and shut down earlier. In total it's been almost 8 months of school closures and non of my kids had a single online lesson. This is not the schools fault , it's a pandemic but we have had a very, very strict lockdown in comparison to other countries. Look at France! I'd happily live with a curfew, we effectively have one. And not being able to go further than 5km..

Secondary schools are still closed here except for leaving certs although they have online classes. Older classes in primary to return tomorrow.

Another poster shared this... going by real life data I'm pleased I've had AZ, there are just as many cases of blood clots with the Pfizer from what I understand, but AZ for some reason has been villified. Be that politics or the fact that its cheaper and more accessible 🤷‍♀️

'it's literally halting a part of an already slow vaccine program.'
@sooverthis1 it really breaks my heart for those at home. And on a personal level, it's tough as you think even if life goes back to normal(ish) in the UK I may not be able to travel home to see my parents who are already struggling with nothing to look forward to. One parent, health worker already has had one dose of AZ recently. No side effects.