Ireland halting the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

[Kaylasmum49]

This just came up on my phone. I had the AZ vaccine 10 days ago. I'm concerned about the news of blood clotting issues.

Erm, the EU as a governing body and any country under it's purview that doesn't want it!

As I said, without naming specific countries because I don't run them!

The EU is not dictating vaccination policy in every country. Don’t be ridiculous.

Of course they are not, but it was the EU who negotiated the contract with AZ..........

The UK’s vaccine action programme is not the country the Irish Gov want to follow.

Really?

Do people not want out of lockdown or something? I don’t understand this.

It looks like ROI will still have significant restrictions til mid summer at least. Non essential retail will be late May at the earliest (and I wouldn’t bet on that). It’s a shitshow here.

The U.K. has been pragmatic and bold and is now in a position to open up safely. Fuck yes I’d prefer that.

You've been starting threads about your vaccination for a while now, I've posted on some and know they've been deleted.

You cant spend the whole your life now in a state of high anxiety about every little thing you read or think of. Turn off your news alerts and get on with your life

There was a similar poster who started threads for days about covid and the zoo, does nay remember that, and your posts are becoming like that, it's not helpful to anyone.

Of course they are not, but it was the EU who negotiated the contract with AZ

Yes. So? Your point was still ridiculous.

I’m in Canada and there has been a lot of reporting about AZ vaccine and Europe.
Canada only recently approved AZ but the supply here comes from a factory in India, not the same as the Europe production.
They are saying that it was a faulty batch 🤷‍♀️
I’m not sure if people here will now be unsure about getting an AZ vaccine, we are slow with the rollout due to supply issues, still only doing +80 so most people are just waiting for an vaccine.

@Wakeupin2022

I thought solidarity was the key to the EU vaccination program?

There's no "EU vaccination program".

As TheKeatingFive says each nation is responsible for it's own vaccination policy.

My DM is on warfarin because she’s prone to blood clots. She’s had the AZ vaccine and is fine. Imo they are just taking precautions.

No, THEY are saying they are having a look to see IF it could be a faulty batch BUT that the deaths do not fall outside the expected data for normal years.

It is really important not to increase the amount of misinformation about it.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Erm, the EU as a governing body and any country under it's purview that doesn't want it!

As I said, without naming specific countries because I don't run them!

Oh, so no one then? I don't understand what the point of your post was but I'm sure you thought you had one.

@Gwenhwyfar

"All medicines have some potential side effects. If you read your packaging properly is a wonder that any of us ever take any kind of pill at all."

I've never taken a pill with a known side effect of blindness! A 30 year old nurse in Belgium has been permanently blinded after a blood clot. This was after having the AZ vaccine, but we do not know yet whether the vaccine caused the clot.
There's no need to panic, but it's normal to be concerned. It's not just ordinary people who are concerned but national health authorities.

Was the pill Tranxamic acid, my dad lost the sight in one eye with a blood clot when he was on that medication?

What is the likelihood of a 49 year old woman and a 34 year old woman suffering a blood clot in the same week, both in the same hospital, if neither had received the vaccine.

The principle of normal distribution tells this that it has to happen at some time somewhere. At this moment in time there will be a hospital somewhere with a 49 year old and 34 year old female both of whom are in inpatients with blood clots neither of whom have had the vaccine. Even if they had, why should the conclusion be drawn immediately that it was the vaccine that caused it.

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The point was quite simple, although mired in further political issues and a typo.

If the EU and/or any country has lost faith in AZ then they could simply divert their supply to Covax.

Then they could placate their own scared, uncertain populace and do a good deed.

Of course the issue of gifting an apparently sub standard vaccine has its own problems but, as those problems are entirely without foundation, I would assume many countries that would benefit would smile and carry on.

It is ALL politicking and fucking good headlines. Very little of it is actual science.

The U.K. has been pragmatic and bold and is now in a position to open up safely. Fuck yes I’d prefer that.

The UK puts a higher value on its economy than its population. Boris ramped up the vaccination programme to cover the death count of his original herd immunity plan.

We will see if the Uk got it right. Hopefully they did but unfortunately for now, it is better to err on the side of caution.

Yes. So? Your point was still ridiculous.

It wasn't really. Az is a damaged brand in the EU as a whole. You can't be 1 EU when you chose and then individual member states at other points.

There has been a vast amount of misinformation from politicians and beaurocrats within the EU / EU member states.

I don't care if people in EU member states think its the shit vaccine or not. Ultimately you have other vaccines available to you.

But what about other countries (and I don't mean the Uk).

People are going to die because of the behaviour of policiticians in EU member states. Not once have I seen others condem them.

All EU politicians seem to want to do it blame the UK.

Why did ROI suspend AZ when there have been similar reactions with Pfizer?

This vaccine would not be so tarnished if it wasn't for people in the EU.

Ooch! That's me out. I can't grapple with all of that again.

Too simplistic by half.

The UK puts a higher value on its economy than its population.

This is very far from the full story. The costs and strains of lockdown are extremely significant for the population.

The U.K. hasn’t handled the whole pandemic well, far from it, the the vaccine rollout has been extraordinary and I take my hat off to them for doing such a great job and now being able to ease the pain of lockdown.

Not you Wakeup obviously! 😊

You can't be 1 EU when you chose and then individual member states at other points.

Yes you can

Are you a bit hard of thinking?

AZ isn’t a ‘damaged brand’ in ROI. This seems to be a fairly calculated attempt by our government, who are under pressure due to their own multiple failings, to give themselves a scapegoat. There’s a danger they will damage it now, but that would backfire so badly on them.

Every EU country had the option to sort their own vaccine supply. Ireland didn’t take that, because they don’t do ‘hard’ shit when they can delegate to others. They can’t blame the EU.

TheKeatingFive.

What are you talking about? You are pro SF presumably. I give up. But don’t speak on behalf of others, Leo did an outstanding job as Taoiseach re covid.

Are you a bit hard of thinking?

Not really. I don't disagree that this is opportunism by the Irish govt, but you really think this is not damaging the AZ vaccine brand in ROI? That's naive at best to believe that.

Every EU country had the option to sort their own vaccine supply. Ireland didn’t take that, because they don’t do ‘hard’ shit when they can delegate to others. They can’t blame the EU.

The UK could have joined that scheme. I think if the UK had still been a member it would have been politically difficult for them to go it alone.

You are pro SF presumably

Nope. Not at all. I’ve no idea who I would vote for right now.

Leo did fine during lockdown 1 and the opening up. It’s been an absolute shitshow since Martin took over.

Well, this thread is interesting.

2 or 3 times it's been mentioned on this thread that the MHRA Yellow Card Scheme found similar reports of thrombosis with Pfizer and AZ vaccines, (if anything slightly higher with Pfizer) yet the outcry is how dangerous the AZ vaccine is and no mention of Pfizer.

One might almost wonder if there's someone with an agenda posting.

I had the AZ yesterday. And apart from feeling like utter shite, I’m so relieved I’ve had it!

but you really think this is not damaging the AZ vaccine brand in ROI?

This move creates a real danger of that, agreed.

Before that no. Everyone I know was looking at U.K. data and being very heartened by that.