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Ireland halting the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

869 replies

Kaylasmum49 · 14/03/2021 09:50

This just came up on my phone. I had the AZ vaccine 10 days ago. I'm concerned about the news of blood clotting issues.

OP posts:
pinkearedcow · 14/03/2021 15:41

[quote Return2thebasic]**@pinkearedcow, DH just had the vaccine ten minutes ago (being contacted due to chronic health issue). So I'm really fingers crossed![/quote]
My DH had his last week due to being CV - he felt rough for a day and is now fine! I am having mine next week (I am his carer).

IrishMamaMia · 14/03/2021 15:47

Good posts @Return2thebasic

CuriousaboutSamphire · 14/03/2021 15:48

@Bluenightowl

The anti Europe/conspiracies are so tiresome. Posters are insisting on blocking out and minimising any negative press about AZ and willing everyone else to do the same. Blissful ignorance. I’m saying this as someone who has had AZ only this week and wish I hadn’t!
The reality is, for most people, the same can be said for those who are anti AZ.

Few of us have the education or access to the raw data to be fully informed.

So it comes down to:

Has the UK used the same gorilla snot vaccine base for decades? Have there been any scare stories? OK, I'll accept it at face value.

Or

Fuck that, it's an experimental drug and I'm nobodies guinea pig. Whilst ignoring, or not looking for, fairly similar data on the Pfizer vaccine.

Wakeupin2022 · 14/03/2021 15:48

@Bluenightowl

The anti Europe/conspiracies are so tiresome. Posters are insisting on blocking out and minimising any negative press about AZ and willing everyone else to do the same. Blissful ignorance. I’m saying this as someone who has had AZ only this week and wish I hadn’t!
Noone is saying the AZ vaccine is perfect.

But its clear to anyone in the UK that it is being singled out for 'special' treatment in other countries and you have to ask why?

Everyone seems to have so much to say about AZ but do you know the reactions 'linked' to other vaccines.

I know that information for the UK and its striking the data is very similar for Pfizer and AZ.

That does suggest to me that both vaccines are not being treated fairly.

The AZ brand is so damaged in EU that I actually think its time for the EU to stop using that vaccine completely.

IrishMamaMia · 14/03/2021 15:48

For the record, caution is good but has to be weighed up with speed of the vaccination programme and whether cases or growing exponentially in the community.

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 14/03/2021 15:53

[quote Return2thebasic]**@WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants, the EU took their time to approve vaccines because of the low confidence in vaccinations in general within the population. If you want to convince people to take it, you need to show you took your time following the proper procedure to examine the trial data and the vaccine itself and making the decision not in a rush. Unlike in the UK, a large population in several European countries don't trust vaccine and believe it's unnatural and does harm to people.

To say the European government want to discredit Astrazanica vaccine because of the Briexit is completely nonsense. You are talking with a limited view influenced by the media.[/quote]
I have followed the procedure & trial
data, they did not have any justification to delay approval. They did nothing to improve the trust in the vaccine within their population, quite the opposite.

If you're naive enough to think decisions aren't made politically then that's up to you.

You are talking with a limited view influenced by the media

Nothing limited in my view*

Oh & the OP has already had her vaccination. I wasn't trying to convince her to have it. Do keep up.

patronising

Return2thebasic · 14/03/2021 15:57

The AZ brand is so damaged in EU that I actually think its time for the EU to stop using that vaccine completely.

Sadly I feel the same!

NearlyAlwaysInsane · 14/03/2021 15:58

Can we just agree to ditch the paranoia on both sides and get back to the topic of OP's post?

This is not a thread about how awful the EU is/how the EU has it in for the UK/poor UK all alone after Brexit/AstraZeneca brand/whatever the hell else people seem to be loading on the issue.

it's about national health authorities taking precautionary measures to assure themselves of the safety of a medical product. It's what they are meant to do. It's called science. Look at the data, then make a decision. If looking at the data means stopping for a while to assess, then so be it.

Dongdingdong · 14/03/2021 15:58

I’m saying this as someone who has had AZ only this week and wish I hadn’t!

Very irritating comment when there are others who are desperate to have it but haven’t yet.

Honestly some of the posts on this thread are ridiculous.

notimagain · 14/03/2021 16:00

The AZ brand is so damaged in EU that I actually think its time for the EU to stop using that vaccine completely.

You do understand that's not a EU decision?

Bluenightowl · 14/03/2021 16:02

Nothing limited in my view

The blatant refusal to disbelieve anything that isn’t positive is showing the above to be untrue.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 14/03/2021 16:03

No, but they could promise all of their AZ to Novovax as soon as possible!

That way their dismay would benefit other, poorer countries get their programmes more up to speed.

ExcusesAndAccusations · 14/03/2021 16:07

@CuriousaboutSamphire

No, but they could promise all of their AZ to Novovax as soon as possible!

That way their dismay would benefit other, poorer countries get their programmes more up to speed.

I think you mistyped Novavax when you mean Covax? I see your point, but the political implications of “not safe enough for our population but it’ll do for the developing world [where the population is generally younger and thinner and so the risk benefit calculations are rather different anyway]” are problematic.
CuriousaboutSamphire · 14/03/2021 16:08

Thanks. I had two thoughts going in there and I let auto thingy have it's way 😂

CuriousaboutSamphire · 14/03/2021 16:09

And yes, I do see that issue to.

Too much politicking playing with lives, again!

Bluenightowl · 14/03/2021 16:11

That way their dismay would benefit other, poorer countries get their programmes more up to speed.

Giving a drug that is not good enough to use in Europe to the developing world would be extremelyunethetical.

BIWI · 14/03/2021 16:12

@bumbleymummy

The thread is about the decision another country has made to suspend use of a vaccine. How is that ‘anti-vaxx’?

... because it's yet another thread by the OP which is creating doubt and anxiety about the vaccine. You would do well to read her other posts.

TheKeatingFive · 14/03/2021 16:12

I’m Irish. This is a dumbarse decision and at least partially motivated by the desire of our government to deflect attention from their own multiple failings.

How I wish we were in the position the uk is now!

Wakeupin2022 · 14/03/2021 16:13

You do understand that's not a EU decision?

I thought solidarity was the key to the EU vaccination program?

All for one and one for all.............

3asAbird · 14/03/2021 16:14

No covax is scheme signed up by affluent countries to donate vaccines to poorer countries.
Incidentally uk contributed more than eu.

Norovax is American based firm to be magnification in teesside England UK .
Eu had exploratory talks in December o belive unsure they came to any agreement same with French firm valneva made on Scotland.
My understanding is thye available autumn winter late 2021 maybe even early 2022.

The next vaccine is also American Johnson and Johnson / janson manufactured Switzerland think ema have approved this one.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 14/03/2021 16:14

@Bluenightowl

That way their dismay would benefit other, poorer countries get their programmes more up to speed.

Giving a drug that is not good enough to use in Europe to the developing world would be extremelyunethetical.

Yes, I did say I understood that. But it isn't me or the UK government or populace that have made that a possible issue, is it?
TheKeatingFive · 14/03/2021 16:14

I thought solidarity was the key to the EU vaccination program?

The EU is not dictating vaccination policy in every country. Don’t be ridiculous.

Aloethere · 14/03/2021 16:14

@CuriousaboutSamphire

No, but they could promise all of their AZ to Novovax as soon as possible!

That way their dismay would benefit other, poorer countries get their programmes more up to speed.

Who could? Ireland have made it clear that this is just precautionary. They have not said and at this point in time do not expect that this will be a forever thing or even a long-term thing. But Ireland have only shown dismay that AZ are continually failing to honour their contract and deliver the correct amount of vaccines in a timely fashion so I presuming you don't mean Ireland?
Bluenightowl · 14/03/2021 16:15

How I wish we were in the position the uk is now

Speak only for yourself not the nation. The UK’s vaccine action programme is not the country the Irish Gov want to follow.

Wakeupin2022 · 14/03/2021 16:16

And over 500k 1st doses yesterday. Probably most of them oxford Smile