Whitty warns: Its not over

[palacegirl77]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56334902

Not surprising when you look at the Spanish Flu model. Need everyone to get those vaccines!

@MuddyWalks

Yes same. I'm done with it and don't care. I've seen family this week, and will continue to do so. Enough is enough now, people need to see others.

Fine, as long as you don't have children that are going to school - they could spread it to teachers/TAs and other children.

They just don't care, sadly.

Beanie. You're just getting boring now

Hollyhead. I get where you are coming from. But have you actually read the article. It's not doom and gloom its the reality of gradually coming out of this (ie.not rushing) and not seeing the vaccine as a 100% immediate solution

He believes that we're going to have a 3rd wave (very soon, next couple of months) precisely BECAUSE of lockdowns (which has stopped our bodies being 'exercised' by the usual bombardment of germs, bacteria etc, so our immunities aren't as good as they were) and vaccines (which he says do work - on a personal individual level, but are not good for populations collectively).

This 'expert' is reinventing a broken wheel. This theory is The Hygiene Hypothesis which was debunked many years ago. The internet is full of this junk.

There's so much fake hype and false optimism around vaccines that the positive reality seems like pessimism to some.

You can tell if you have been a victim of the overhype of the vaccines if you know that the vaccines are not 100%, and you know that 100% of people haven't had one yet - but you protest vociferously at anyone who points out that hospitalisations and deaths will continue to be an issue once we start to open up.

Bonus points for saying "The vulnerable have been vaccinated" when you know that the JCVI 9 are currently being vaccinated, and still will be for several months.

I'm as "Wooo -VACCINES!" as anybody, but my optimism is grounded in reality, rather than some fantasy instantaneous magic bullet bullshlt.

Wibble

@LangClegsInSpace

Wibble

I am with you on the wibble front.... we should use it more often

There’s also a fair bit of over talking of numbers on threads re deaths.

@sleepwouldbenice I have, and as always it was the media spin that created the negative feeling. I’m trying to avoid headlines for now - they’re all bullshit anyway.

I’m in more or less favour with the proposed roadmap anyway. My only concern is that actually so many people I know are fed up and bored now that people will start breaking rules which lead to more risk than relaxing other things more quickly - for instance I would open non essential retail 29th March, it felt very safe before and as far as I can tell there’s very little evidence of it contributing to spread. As sad as it sounds a little browse in John Lewis would really help keep me going until later spring with other things!

For a minute there I was in danger of believing the CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER who obviously tells loads of lies even though he hasn't been caught out in one a year later

Masks are ineffective. 4k deaths a day by Christmas.

I think CW is has good intentions and far more knowledge than I will ever have but these 2 things have damaged public trust and were very ill advised

Chris Whitty obviously isn't a liar. I feel sad for people who think he is, because people who can't afford not to work and earn are the ones on this thread who are criticising him. So there is a rationale to it.

The government has failed , to my mind, in handing over so much money in contracts to idiots and takers, whilst keeping those who need to earn short of money, so they feel the need to deny the pandemic and therefore risk the rest of us.

@Downthefarm

Chris Whitty obviously isn't a liar. I feel sad for people who think he is, because people who can't afford not to work and earn are the ones on this thread who are criticising him. So there is a rationale to it.

The government has failed , to my mind, in handing over so much money in contracts to idiots and takers, whilst keeping those who need to earn short of money, so they feel the need to deny the pandemic and therefore risk the rest of us.

Yeah. This.

That £37,000,000,000 they funnelled through "test and trace" and the £11,000,000,000 they gave to dormant companies for useless or non-existent pregnancy style tests, PPE, and sanitiser etc could have been much better spent on real, genuine help for people.

I definitely agree. 100%.

That said, the answer isn't conspiracy theory, or blaming the messenger. Blame the government.

It's an intractable problem, though, if people genuinely and truthfully can't pay their bills.

That same profligate spend is what got us vaccines so quickly.

It is really obvious now that this was the Pandemic Plan. Have a lot of money and, as Hancock and others have said, "leave nothing on the table" when trying to buy what was necessary.

Many posters still moaning about that also moaned about the very person who designed the vaccine purchase plan.

Some points worked, others didn't. It's fucking pointless to keep going over the same old same old. There are no finite truths in this. And any that do exist cannot be known fully for quite a while yet!

Beaniecats

He just can't help himself can he. Probably terrified his time in the limelight is coming to an end“

Oh good grief 🙄

@Downthefarm

Chris Whitty obviously isn't a liar. I feel sad for people who think he is, because people who can't afford not to work and earn are the ones on this thread who are criticising him. So there is a rationale to it.

The government has failed , to my mind, in handing over so much money in contracts to idiots and takers, whilst keeping those who need to earn short of money, so they feel the need to deny the pandemic and therefore risk the rest of us.

Very well put

@CuriousaboutSamphire

That same profligate spend is what got us vaccines so quickly.

It is really obvious now that this was the Pandemic Plan. Have a lot of money and, as Hancock and others have said, "leave nothing on the table" when trying to buy what was necessary.

Many posters still moaning about that also moaned about the very person who designed the vaccine purchase plan.

Some points worked, others didn't. It's fucking pointless to keep going over the same old same old. There are no finite truths in this. And any that do exist cannot be known fully for quite a while yet!

They’re still adding money to test and trace though so haven’t learnt from that mistake.

@Cornettoninja - this guy's perspective is on a health level, he makes no reference to economics (he says - towards the end of the video - when asked a question he's not an expert in that he only speaks on matters on which he is, lol, so I guess that's why).

His point is that our interference - lockdown, mask wearing, hand sanitising and now the mass vaccine rollout - has made this pandemic worse than it would have been if we had just let it do its thing. He does recognise that this would have massive death figures, but he's talking on population as a whole, rather than individual. What he's saying is that there's a lot more death to come now (in the younger population) and in a matter of months because of this interference. I guess we'll find out if he's right or wrong.

Definitely worth watching if you've the time - although the science is hard to get your head around at times (wish I could be nearly as clever as he is). Think there's a Canadian vaccine developer expert - Dr Byram Brindle (same kind of background) - who's saying similar (but I've yet to watch that video, its another hour plus, so not have the spare time yet).

Track and trace, or any other variation, would be useful in future epi/pandemics. It might make sense, in the long run, to use whatever money has been allocated to get it working for the UK.

[quote TheHouseElf]@Cornettoninja - this guy's perspective is on a health level, he makes no reference to economics (he says - towards the end of the video - when asked a question he's not an expert in that he only speaks on matters on which he is, lol, so I guess that's why).

His point is that our interference - lockdown, mask wearing, hand sanitising and now the mass vaccine rollout - has made this pandemic worse than it would have been if we had just let it do its thing. He does recognise that this would have massive death figures, but he's talking on population as a whole, rather than individual. What he's saying is that there's a lot more death to come now (in the younger population) and in a matter of months because of this interference. I guess we'll find out if he's right or wrong.

Definitely worth watching if you've the time - although the science is hard to get your head around at times (wish I could be nearly as clever as he is). Think there's a Canadian vaccine developer expert - Dr Byram Brindle (same kind of background) - who's saying similar (but I've yet to watch that video, its another hour plus, so not have the spare time yet).[/quote]
You seem very invested in 'spreading the word' about this video

I'm done too. I'm socailsing indoors and have done since Xmas.
And funnily enough rates here are pretty low. And I know of about 10 people indoor mixing with others.
I know 2 nurses who have had hair and nails done in the back of salons.
I know 3 teachers personally who have all said if I can teach xx amount of kids then I can see my sister /brother or whoever.

The other weekend when it was nice. We went for a walk along the beach. We saw a family bbqing. And other very large groups.

PEOPLE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!

And yes I'm selfish. I spent a year protecting my DN. We didn't see her last mothers day because it was all a bit scary. We promised a lovely day this year.
She spent the year lonely and recently died. Alone. Just the week before she told a realative she had never felt so lonely.
So I'm sorry but that's the one person in the world I wanted to protect so she didn't die and she did anyway and not of covid. And didn't get to make this mothers day So fuck it. I don't care. I really don't.

My neighbours are also of similar views. One being a vicar. Who has many visitors his family mainly.
I wouldn't go having huge parties etc yet but I'll live my life and do the best for my kids for their MH too

I do think telling people they had to do this for another two months has had the opposite effect and people are just thinking sod it. It’s so unrealistic.

@KettleWentBang I am sorry for your loss. While we are still ploughing through the vaccines for the clinically vulnerable (group6) YABU at socialising indoors though especially as indoor, informal contacts can spread Covid and ultimately lead to another families loss.

Also if you want to keep schools open (and bloody hell that is essential) we need to minimise our other contacts as Covid rates are definitely going to go up with schools back.

Completely agree with comments above from posters about the misspent BILLIONS on track and trace, the Government should be accountable for that. They may as well have burnt our taxes but put them in their mates pockets

@Ethelfromnumber73 - What do you mean "invested" - I'm not his wife, lol. I've responded to people who have mentioned me, that's all.

The fact he's independent makes it interesting to me to hear what he has to say - if you don't, then that's OK. I personally think its always good to keep an open mind and hear others voices/opinions.

@KettleWentBang I’m so sorry for your loss, a very similar thing happened in our family. People seem to forget vulnerable people will die of other things in the meantime.

The strictness and limited opportunities for socialising will certainly drive people to riskier behaviours. I don’t know anyone who will still be following the rules to the letter by Easter. Especially the 50+ group who will have had at least one vaccination by then.

[quote TheHouseElf]@Ethelfromnumber73 - What do you mean "invested" - I'm not his wife, lol. I've responded to people who have mentioned me, that's all.

The fact he's independent makes it interesting to me to hear what he has to say - if you don't, then that's OK. I personally think its always good to keep an open mind and hear others voices/opinions.[/quote]
Have you got anything of his from earlier on the pandemic, so we can see if he was right?