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Over 40s will be called for vaccines this month

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LacyEdge · 01/03/2021 09:53

Reasons to be cheerful, March edition: According to the Telegraph, aka the Tory intranet, 40s vaccination is a couple of weeks away, and right on target: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/01/over-40s-covid-vaccines-rollout-track-begin-month/ (paywall, but the headline says it all)

Good news for those of us in our prime (cough ahem) Wine Brew

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justasking111 · 02/03/2021 12:22

@snowspider

Another Wales location. There is no vaccine delivery since 19 February according to my GP. They would otherwise be about to begin inviting 65-69 age group. But they aren't because of lack of vaccine. That group is to be followed by the very large 16-64 with underlying health conditions. I would be in the group to follow that over 60-64.

So I anticipate waiting sometime.

There is no system here to apply online without being referred by a GP.

I'm in the same age bracket in Wales gonna be a long wait,. OH waiting for second jab, so he'll be footloose and free in a couple of weeks when he has the second sigh.....
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CeeJay81 · 02/03/2021 12:31

I'm in Wales, they seem to be doing alright here in Powys. the doctors are doing group 6(I'm going on Friday) and the vaccination centres are doing the age groups. Think they are doing 60-65 at the centres. It'll be a while till they get to the over 40s though.

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snowspider · 02/03/2021 12:55

Not on go's webpage but I see that Hywel Dda (Carmarthenshire, Ceredigion and Pembrokeshire) are hoping to rollout the age groups at mass vaccination centres from 8 March starting with 60-64 depending on vaccine deliveries and it will be via a letter with appointment time and place.

hduhb.nhs.wales/news/press-releases/vaccination-venues-and-timeline-announced-for-hywel-dda-residents-in-priority-groups-5-to-9/

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mumwalk · 02/03/2021 13:08

@oneglassandpuzzled not everyone can use the online system. It does not apply in Scotland, for instance.

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Madcats · 02/03/2021 13:38

@Eccle80

I’ve seen a GP near us say they have to wait until they have finished group 6 to move onto group 7 and it could be some time. I don’t know why they didn’t mention that group 7 could book online if they were happy to go to vaccine centre and preferred to have it done sooner - there is one in the same town so not like it is far to travel!

I seem to remember GPS get a fee for each jab jabbed (£ 12.85). If they have been able to juggle their caseloads, make use of locals on furlough for non-medical tasks and have suitable premises, it might be a nice boost to their income.

I know the rollout in some areas near DM was held up after ££ demanded to hire village/parish halls.
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CaptainCarp · 02/03/2021 14:57

How come Wales / Scotland seem to be behind?
I tried Google but just got that Wales had hit the vaccine target 1st...

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Eccle80 · 02/03/2021 15:30

@Madcats I wondered if it was about them getting money for the jabs. It seems off not to mention the alternative though when they say they have lots of group 6 to get through and they have no idea when they will call group 7.

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ExpulsoCorona · 02/03/2021 16:54

GP here - I get all my information on which groups are being invited (apart from what we are currently asked to focus on which is group 6) from the news and Mumsnet. We are participating in the vaccinations, not running them. We don't know any more than you do and only find out if we've got vaccinations arriving next week on a Thursday or Friday. Thanks for giving me a laugh re: making a profit though, that was hilarious. Renting a space to give the jabs and then paying staff, overheads etc makes this a loss not a profit. But we want to help as much as we can so we suck it up.

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oneglassandpuzzled · 02/03/2021 17:02

ExpulsoCorona—great name.

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Violet9 · 02/03/2021 18:12

@ExpulsoCorona

GP here - I get all my information on which groups are being invited (apart from what we are currently asked to focus on which is group 6) from the news and Mumsnet. We are participating in the vaccinations, not running them. We don't know any more than you do and only find out if we've got vaccinations arriving next week on a Thursday or Friday. Thanks for giving me a laugh re: making a profit though, that was hilarious. Renting a space to give the jabs and then paying staff, overheads etc makes this a loss not a profit. But we want to help as much as we can so we suck it up.

Nice to hear a GP's point of view on this thread. Can I ask if you have any leeway in identifying / putting forward patients who you think should be in Group 6? Or is it based on a strict list of specific conditions? I've been told by my GP if it was up to him I'd be able to get my vaccine now - alongside my DH who's had his invitation letter as my registered carer. He said he'd put my case forward to the "powers that be", though I'm not sure what that means exactly?
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ExpulsoCorona · 02/03/2021 18:29

@Violet9 We're going carefully and strictly by what is said in the Green Book chapter on Covid vaccines page 10-11 for group 6. This is the official government guidance. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/961287/Greenbook_chapter_14a_v7_12Feb2021.pdf

Group 6 is tricky because our computer systems weren't ever designed to retrieve information this way and in the move from paper records to computer records things weren't always transcribed perfectly. Group 6 is also MASSIVE and hopefully quite a few will get scooped up as the mass vaccination centres move down the age categories.

Unpaid carers are even tricker, a lot of people are genuine and the person they are caring for would really struggle if their carer became unwell. However there are quite a few who are ringing up to be put in this group who aren't genuine which makes it so hard. In my own personal opinion a vulnerable person won't be fully protected until their household is protected. My own personal opinion is irrelevant though, we follow the guidance above. In terms of putting your case forward to 'the powers that be', a group of practices group together to deliver the vaccines and this group is called the PCN (Primary Care Network). There is one person from the PCN who is co-ordinating the vaccine roll-out for our practices and he is 'the powers that be'. I have been asked to direct these queries to him.

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Expectingsomethingwonderful · 02/03/2021 18:39

So, having read this thread I tried the national site and managed to book my jab for this week. I'm really pleased as it means I don't have to wait to be called by my GP (I'm group 6 and was waiting for a GP invite). Based on age alone I am group 8.

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 02/03/2021 18:39

I’ve tried today and I’m in group 8! Didn’t get on!

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SerenadeOfTheSchoolRun · 02/03/2021 18:41

ExpulsoCorona

Thanks for posting. Great to hear from a GP and thanks for all the effort going into this.

Would your practice publicly advise the over 60s of the option to book online while you work your way through group 6? If not, why?

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ExpulsoCorona · 02/03/2021 18:50

@SerenadeOfTheSchoolRun NHS England are sending letters to the correct age groups to let them know they can book. These letters seem to be arriving about a week after these patients can actually start booking (I have learned this from Mumsnet, not from work). If it is further publicly advertised, it should be done by the government/media/public health. There could be tv adverts, radio adverts etc.

The option to book online through the national booking site is nothing to do with us and if we start publicly advising this then that will open us up to all sorts of work/queries/phonecalls/admin we genuinely don't have the time or staff to deal with.

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SerenadeOfTheSchoolRun · 02/03/2021 18:51

[quote ExpulsoCorona]@SerenadeOfTheSchoolRun NHS England are sending letters to the correct age groups to let them know they can book. These letters seem to be arriving about a week after these patients can actually start booking (I have learned this from Mumsnet, not from work). If it is further publicly advertised, it should be done by the government/media/public health. There could be tv adverts, radio adverts etc.

The option to book online through the national booking site is nothing to do with us and if we start publicly advising this then that will open us up to all sorts of work/queries/phonecalls/admin we genuinely don't have the time or staff to deal with.[/quote]
Thank you. Good luck with group 6.

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ExpulsoCorona · 02/03/2021 18:53

@SerenadeOfTheSchoolRun Thank you! We'll get there with our group 6s! I originally clicked on this thread because I was so excited to see when over 40s will be called. My husband and all of my closest friends fall in this group so I am super happy to see that it may start at the end of this month!

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SerenadeOfTheSchoolRun · 02/03/2021 18:55

I am over 40 too and also very excited. Will be booking via the link and sharing widely with my over 40 friends once they get there.

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dementedma · 02/03/2021 19:03

Not in Scotland. Still doing folks in their 60s!

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WombatChocolate · 02/03/2021 19:05

Expulsion, really interesting, thank you.

There’s a lot of moaning about Group 6 and people seeming to think GPs have a vendetta against them to not include them in Group 6. Plus most people don’t understand 2 systems are running concurrently and largely separately via GPs or the national booking scheme and they get cross when they hear people in group 7 are booking before them. And like you, many of us have learned loads about all this from Mumsnet, but most people do t read these threads in forensic detail and just aren’t interested enough to do that or be fully up to date with which stage things are at. Some people are very clearly glass half full people and struggle to see any bigger picture.....but I’m sure as a GP you see that all the time.

One thing I read on another thread that was really interesting is about the government having multiple strategies to reach people and that their behaviouralists have told them exactly how people will respond to the vaccines. The national booking system is there for, and works for those who are pro-actively seeking the vaccine. Keen people regularly look and input their data and it allows them to book, often before the front pages or national comms have been updated. Other people won’t do that or don’t feel comfortable doing that. The government know that lots of people need a letter before they will feel confident to book. So more get picked up at that point. Others still don’t books for a variety of reasons...disorganisation, hesitancy and a myriad of others. When those people don’t book they get contacted again and in other ways and at some point perhaps via the GP. Some people who do t want the vaccine on MN report having been contacted in various forms 8 different times. So government is trying and has various strategies. They know from studies of human behaviour that only some people will use the national booking system and only some people will be prepared to go the the mass centres or travel a few miles. They hope lots will book using the online system and be prepared to travel, but they will have figures for how many are likely to do that. A more personalised and localised approach will be needed for those who keep not booking. I guess GPs are called in at some point because they say that where GPs have personally called people (not receptionists) it has had a big impact.ll,but clearly GPs cannot be ringing everyone.

I’ve found it all really interesting. The fact lots of people don’t get on and book is all factored in and expected. The system is designed to broadly run to expected behaviour and that will allow the system to cope and not be overwhelmed with too many people at any point, and deliver more at the pints where people, will be getting 1st and 2nd jabs concurrently.

As you say, GPs only know the part they play in the system and not the overall strategy or how they fit, beyond knowing it very broadly. This will also be true of the mass centres who are getting on and delivering their remit too without necessarily knowing what GPs are doing or where they are up to. There won’t be huge numbers who know all about the whole thing and what’s happening, but there will be people who do and who need to know.

The more I think about it, the more I can see what a vast operation it is and although people moan on an individual level (often not very reasonably) the overall achievement so far is so impressive and looks really hopeful moving into the next phases.

Thank you to everyone working on it all in whatever capacity. It is amazing.

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BunsyGirl · 02/03/2021 19:06

My GP practice has shared the link to book at a mass vaccination centre on their Facebook page and website.

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WombatChocolate · 02/03/2021 19:23

Another thread is reporting Group 6 can now book on the national booking system.

I’d be interested to know if GPs have been asked to give info over so that can happen and all are doing it or just some. Or is it that the national booking system can access those records and do it themselves? Either way, it doesn’t seem that all of Group 6 can do it yet but more and more are having success so perhaps it’s happening as we speak, or just in areas where GPs still have lots to do?? No doubt someone will be along who knows in the amazing MN info world.

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Catslovepies · 02/03/2021 20:26

I've read the green book criteria and still find the group 6 rules confusing. I have high blood pressure and have to go to the GP each year to be tested. I don't know whether that makes me group 6 or not and don't want to ring up and bother my practice when they're so busy. My sister is in the same boat - she was hospitalised 20 years ago due to complications from asthma and she doesn't know if that puts her in group 6 or not.

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WombatChocolate · 02/03/2021 20:40

I agree that the Green Book is confusing for people. Even if people know about it or can access it, they can’t always decipher what it means and if the definitions apply to them.

Perhaps it wasn’t possible to produce a ‘layman’s version’ of it to help people (so many people still don’t seem to know if they are in group 6 or not and because they are discouraged strongly from contacting GP and it won’t be totally clear when Group 6 are finished, they might never know. That bothers a lot of people because they don’t know if they will be soon, or in some cases, not until the end of the vaccine programme if they are in 20s. It’s the total uncertainty for them that has been difficult.

I wonder overall how many of Group 6 have contacted their GP anyway for confirmation. It seems to make lots of receptionists really cross and you can see it’s a huge use if their time when they have loads to do, but at the same time, you can see why this group feel a need to ring.

It’s quite different to people ringing about age group, because everyone knows their age. However, loads just don’t know if they are group 6 or not. Some are happy to just wait and wait, but tethers need to know if they are likely to be soon or not for ages. Given these people have conditions that are likely to put them at risk, wanting to know isn’t entirely unreasonable. But the system doesn’t seem to have been able to cope with that.

I think if people had known, they would have then found the wait necessary as the very large group was done, much easier as they would know it was close....but some still have no idea if it might be next week or June. If they are about to return to work and feel vulnerable, that little bit of info can make a huge difference.

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MmeLaraque · 02/03/2021 20:49

@WombatChocolate

Expulsion, really interesting, thank you.

There’s a lot of moaning about Group 6 and people seeming to think GPs have a vendetta against them to not include them in Group 6. Plus most people don’t understand 2 systems are running concurrently and largely separately via GPs or the national booking scheme and they get cross when they hear people in group 7 are booking before them. And like you, many of us have learned loads about all this from Mumsnet, but most people do t read these threads in forensic detail and just aren’t interested enough to do that or be fully up to date with which stage things are at. Some people are very clearly glass half full people and struggle to see any bigger picture.....but I’m sure as a GP you see that all the time.

One thing I read on another thread that was really interesting is about the government having multiple strategies to reach people and that their behaviouralists have told them exactly how people will respond to the vaccines. The national booking system is there for, and works for those who are pro-actively seeking the vaccine. Keen people regularly look and input their data and it allows them to book, often before the front pages or national comms have been updated. Other people won’t do that or don’t feel comfortable doing that. The government know that lots of people need a letter before they will feel confident to book. So more get picked up at that point. Others still don’t books for a variety of reasons...disorganisation, hesitancy and a myriad of others. When those people don’t book they get contacted again and in other ways and at some point perhaps via the GP. Some people who do t want the vaccine on MN report having been contacted in various forms 8 different times. So government is trying and has various strategies. They know from studies of human behaviour that only some people will use the national booking system and only some people will be prepared to go the the mass centres or travel a few miles. They hope lots will book using the online system and be prepared to travel, but they will have figures for how many are likely to do that. A more personalised and localised approach will be needed for those who keep not booking. I guess GPs are called in at some point because they say that where GPs have personally called people (not receptionists) it has had a big impact.ll,but clearly GPs cannot be ringing everyone.

I’ve found it all really interesting. The fact lots of people don’t get on and book is all factored in and expected. The system is designed to broadly run to expected behaviour and that will allow the system to cope and not be overwhelmed with too many people at any point, and deliver more at the pints where people, will be getting 1st and 2nd jabs concurrently.

As you say, GPs only know the part they play in the system and not the overall strategy or how they fit, beyond knowing it very broadly. This will also be true of the mass centres who are getting on and delivering their remit too without necessarily knowing what GPs are doing or where they are up to. There won’t be huge numbers who know all about the whole thing and what’s happening, but there will be people who do and who need to know.

The more I think about it, the more I can see what a vast operation it is and although people moan on an individual level (often not very reasonably) the overall achievement so far is so impressive and looks really hopeful moving into the next phases.

Thank you to everyone working on it all in whatever capacity. It is amazing.

UK government doesn't give a shit. Not one shit.
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