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Employer disadvantaging and threatening staff who haven’t had the vaccine

661 replies

MrsFCastle · 23/02/2021 17:19

My partner works in health and social care. He isn’t an anti vaxxer. Just feels it’s too soon. His employer is furious and is threatening to stop offering shifts if they don’t get it. I’m genuinely concerned about his job security. Can they do this? Helpful replies only please. This isn’t a thread about anti/pro vax.

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DianaT1969 · 25/02/2021 01:24

Even if he hangs onto shifts in this job (unlikely) he doesn't really have a future in health care, does he? I suggest he faces up to that and switches career. Let vaccinated people, who are less likely to transmit the virus to vulnerable patients, do the job.

PigletJohn · 25/02/2021 01:25

I've been reading the thread carefully to see what "too soon" and "waiting to see" mean, and what are the criteria for agreeing that it is no longer to soon, and that you have waited long enough.

I don't see them.

Will it be soon enough when the number of Covid deaths drops dramatically, and the only people dying are those who are unvaccinated?

Because that point has already been reached in Scotland.

CantstopsayingFFS · 25/02/2021 02:13

Will it be soon enough when the number of Covid deaths drops dramatically, and the only people dying are those who are unvaccinated?

Not sure piglet! Maybe only 99% will survive.... Isn’t that the rate of the survival if you get Covid?

You remember Superman when he reversed time to save Lois? Well apparently the pharmaceutical companies and their investors brought him back to life so he could spin around the world again but went ahead in time. This was so they could conduct 10 years of testing in one year. Because it takes about 10 years to get it ‘right-ish’ yes? Because you have to wait for certain period of time for side effects? Yes? Please correct me if I’m wrong. Because rather than spend time and money on a cure and treatment let’s just jab everyone! And tell everyone it’s for free because our governments are good like that Hmm

PigletJohn · 25/02/2021 02:24

The side-effects of dying from Covid are even worse.

SakuraEdenSwan1 · 25/02/2021 02:28

@Jangle33

In a word yes. It’s perfectly reasonable for employers (particularly in the healthcare sector) to require staff to have the vaccine.

There’s a lot of discussions on this and may well be legal to be sacked if he refuses, especially on the I’m not sure grounds! I wouldn’t want him on my staff.

It is against the law to force anyone to have vaccinations without their consent.
PigletJohn · 25/02/2021 02:35

P.s.

Superman is a fictional character so entirely irrelevant.

TheKeatingFive · 25/02/2021 03:55

How could not having the vaccine be putting anyone at risk?! It doesn't stop you picking up the virus and passing it on!

Seems like people just don’t read emerging new information. Is there a ‘too soon’ time lag in that too?

The vaccines do cut transmission. That was always suspected, but difficult to test until they were widely administered.

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TheKeatingFive · 25/02/2021 03:58

Because it takes about 10 years to get it ‘right-ish’ yes?

What’s this based on (apart from superman comics apparently)?

Again, what testing do you think the Covid vaccines should have gone through that they didn’t?

CantstopsayingFFS · 25/02/2021 04:09

PigletJohn - side effects of dying from Covid are even worse than what? Did you hide under Superman’s cape?

picknmix1984 · 25/02/2021 04:14

I don't think he can be very considerate or caring towards the residents if he is not prepared to be vaccinated. Doesn't he watch the news?

If he thinks it's too soon then personally I think he should be in a different line of work!

WanderingFruitWonderer · 25/02/2021 04:40

I'm feeling increasingly wearied by the anti-vaxxers, Covid-deniers & minimizers, and conspiracy theorists etc. I really can't cope with the selfishness of them anymore... When most of us have made so many sacrifices for almost a year

WeIcomeToGilead · 25/02/2021 05:29

I don’t understand the point about it being too soon?

Surely you would just take it and get on with your day?

Jem55 · 25/02/2021 06:13

I'm not an anti vaxxer but they said thalidomide was the wonder drug of its day too.

NicolaC17 · 25/02/2021 06:44

If anyone is interested here’s a link to all adverse reactions and deaths recorded. It’s an interesting read and might shut those up who think it’s selfish not to take it.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/962405/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-_BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/962406/COVID-19_AstraZeneca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

FourTeaFallOut · 25/02/2021 06:47

@Jem55

I'm not an anti vaxxer but they said thalidomide was the wonder drug of its day too.
That day being 60 years ago?
KeepWashingThoseHands · 25/02/2021 07:11

Govt roll out of COVID certificates can’t be ‘too soon’ in my view.

TheKeatingFive · 25/02/2021 07:16

Thalidomide isn’t a vaccine. You wouldn’t think that would need pointing out.

And how many tens of thousands of drugs (probably more) have been developed in that time frame with no problems?

Eskarina1 · 25/02/2021 07:21

I'm just wondering whether too soon = "I want to stay in lockdown until it's been long enough" or "I want all the benefits of everyone else taking a risk but not share the risk myself." I suspect it's the latter for most people.

I'm going to be writing to my elderly relatives carers asking that she is only cared for by those with a vaccine. She is in the highest risk group and the vaccine isn't 100%. She also has dementia and being cared for by people in PPE scares her. So I respect anyone's right not to have the vaccine but I hope they respect her right to be cared for safely and compassionately at the end of her life.

minniemoocher · 25/02/2021 07:25

Sorry but if he works in the care sector then I'm with his employer, he needs to get vaccinated ASAP. We have a young adult in a care situation who cannot be vaccinated, we are reliant on her carers to do the right thing! No sympathy for those who want others to be the guinea pigs. We are begging to be vaccinated ourselves so she can come home for weekends

TheKeatingFive · 25/02/2021 07:28

I'm just wondering whether too soon = "I want to stay in lockdown until it's been long enough" or "I want all the benefits of everyone else taking a risk but not share the risk myself." I suspect it's the latter for most people.

Exactly

If people want to self isolate until they’re convinced of the vaccine’s safety, then fair enough, but somehow I don’t think that’s their plan.

LochNessSwim · 25/02/2021 07:35

@dividedwefall this isn’t about questioning intelligence. It’s about the fact that the vast majority of our staff and clients won’t want to be around those who haven’t been vaccinated.

Individuals have the choice to refuse the vaccine. That’s free will. However, if that choice then means they can’t meet the needs and requirements of the other staff and clients, the vaccine-refuser can’t continue to be employed.

When we get on a bus or sit in a restaurant, we make a choice to accept the risk of being around unvaccinated people. There’s a choice. People don’t have a choice about spending 10+ hours a day in an office, so that’s where we need to ensure that the office environment is safer by excluding those who make a choice not to be vaccinated.

pointythings · 25/02/2021 07:40

NicolaC17 are you aware of how research works? An adverse reaction doesn't mean there was causality. If a clinical trial participant crosses the road without looking and gets run over by a bus, that will be recorded as an adverse event because the trial drug might have caused him to not look - but there's no way of establishing that it actually did.

lightand · 25/02/2021 07:58

@Fiona2020

Why does everyone assume people want the vaccine? I’m 90% sure my partner won’t have it- he doesn’t even have a GP. He’s got no reason other then he was fine when he had covid and he cba. Not everyone wants it. This isn’t a communist country it’s not going to be implemented!
Apparently, in some countries, communism was done incrementally.
nancy75 · 25/02/2021 08:03
  • When we get on a bus or sit in a restaurant, we make a choice to accept the risk of being around unvaccinated people. There’s a choice. People don’t have a choice about spending 10+ hours a day in an office, so that’s where we need to ensure that the office environment is safer by excluding those who make a choice not to be vaccinated

Even that may change, pubs, restaurants, shops, cinemas are all private property & they have the right to refuse entry - If it becomes clear that a large majority want ‘vaccinated only’ venues that’s what will happen.
I can see a few minds changing when the anti vaxers are suddenly not allowed in pubs etc