In two weeks pupils can safely return to school..

[Regulus]

..can they fuck.

There maybe plenty of reasons why they have too but to lie that it's safe is deplorable.

@MmeLaraque

It's nothing to do with how you vote (vote any way you wish) but the comment you made up thread....

@Psychobobble

" They didn't choose to work in an environment that could so easily kill. "

A) not anywhere near the top of the risk of dying from covid list of professions

B) neither did virtually anyone else, save maybe the army.

Come on, you have entirely lost perspective. Anyone who speaks passionately about the importance of education whilst reviewing the statistical risk of the role and not finding it way worse than other jobs is a Tory plant now? Jesus wept.

Medics and health professionals didn't either, perhaps the scale of death they dealt with, no, but not to die as well.

The majority of your post is pure "whataboutism". That, and gaslighting... "You cannot possibly be worthy as a teacher because you value your life..." you workign for Johnson and Cummings, perchance?

This is ridiculous.

No, not everyone is a Tory shill. No one has ever said a teacher’s life is not worthy.

What people are pissed off about is that MILLIONS of people have been working constantly in very close contact with covid. And just done it. Without complaining, without sending section 44s in.

Just got on and worked. And to see one sector continue to make such a fuss a year after everyone else has been getting on with it is so fucking frustrating.

I have cleaned poo off of a covid positive 98 year old with gloves, plastic apron and a blue mask. And I tell you, I have never worried about my own health in that position. Even though I’m a director and that wasn’t in my job description, I did it.

I’m also group 6.

I hope that some (not all!) teachers are going to look back in 5 years and really cringe at their behaviour. I would.

@Regulus

..can they fuck.

There maybe plenty of reasons why they have too but to lie that it's safe is deplorable.

It’s an absolute joke.

Schools says school closures should be used to make schools safer.

With the exception of increased mask usage for secondary, they’ve done nothing.

Oh and low accuracy testing.

No masks for primary, ventilation, social distancing or reduced numbers.

This is probably going to annoy all the parents who can't wait to kick their kids back into school but.....

Schools haven't been able to teach properly for the last year which equates to the kids not learning properly.

As standard operating practice in some other countries, if the kids don't meet specific standards of learning they are held back and have to resit the year which, IMO, should be happening here to make certain that the kids are receiving a proper education. The easiest way to do that is to just say, right, it's going to be(at least) mid-late June before things will be properly getting back to some sort of normality, but which time there will only be 3-4 weeks left of the academic year, so we're writing off this year and everyone will be restarting where they were in Sept 2020 in September 2021.

@Ostryga

The majority of your post is pure "whataboutism". That, and gaslighting... "You cannot possibly be worthy as a teacher because you value your life..." you workign for Johnson and Cummings, perchance?

This is ridiculous.

No, not everyone is a Tory shill. No one has ever said a teacher’s life is not worthy.

What people are pissed off about is that MILLIONS of people have been working constantly in very close contact with covid. And just done it. Without complaining, without sending section 44s in.

Just got on and worked. And to see one sector continue to make such a fuss a year after everyone else has been getting on with it is so fucking frustrating.

I have cleaned poo off of a covid positive 98 year old with gloves, plastic apron and a blue mask. And I tell you, I have never worried about my own health in that position. Even though I’m a director and that wasn’t in my job description, I did it.

I’m also group 6.

More whataboutery,

This is about schools, not you.

Yes it is about schools not teachers and they are two very different things

Because we should be doing are damnest to be prioritising children in all of this.

School is about as safe as most other jobs? I have had a number of colleagues go off sick with Covid but that doesn't matter as we aren't teachers.
There have been more cases where I work than on local schools (throughout the pandemic) but that doesn't make as we're not teachers.
I just wish that some teachers would wake up and realise so many didn't have the choice to stay at home. So many have just got on and worked.
Teachers lives are important. Shame teachers don't feel the same about NHS staff, carers, supermarket staff, police and prison staff etc.
Or if you do perhaps you could stop moaning about going back to work face to face and realise a lot of people have been doing face to face jobs since last March (and most of them without holidays).

I can teach more effectively when everyone is at home than when a random, rotating 25% of my students are at home. This may not be true for all subjects and all years but it is true for me.
Let’s hope this will not happen, but let’s remember - the reason for a long pause between loosening each level of restriction is because the government know it’s highly possible that any stage may result in a large increase in cases. It’s by no means ridiculous to be concerned that we are returning to the shockingly bad conditions we had in autumn, in which case, I will rightly miss lockdown - purely from the point of view of wanting the best results for my students.
I AM prioritising children here.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/coronavirus/lateral-flow-rapid-covid-tests-pick-up-90-of-cases-study-finds/

@echt no it’s about children. But don’t let that stop you complaining.

But don’t let that stop you complaining.

You’d be lucky

As one of the comments on the lateral flow article states:

Which do you believe?
Lateral flow tests miss 60% of positive cases, they only detect 58% of cases, or now they detect 91%. Such a massive variation in itself is a cause for concern??

They capture the vast majority of those cases which are likely to transmit to another person. This is what you'd want in a school environment, where onward transmission is the biggest concern, surely?

*More whataboutery

This is about schools, not you.*

Roughly translated i don't give a fuck about others but want others to give a fuck about me

@3littlewords

*More whataboutery

This is about schools, not you.*

Roughly translated i don't give a fuck about others but want others to give a fuck about me

Exactly. What about our poor nursery staff who can't distance at all and are generally covered in children's bodily fluids and have zero PPE? Do you actually believe carers /doctors etc are safe because of a piece of cloth? No they aren't that's why they are dying. Do you believe that supermarket workers are safe, especially those on the shop floor who don't have a screen? No they aren't. The vast majority aren't safe at work. Unfortunately we have to get on with it and must not complain I'm not saying school is safe I'm saying many others are at risk but carry on regardless.

I am so happy! I work as a TA too. So glad to be able to restore some kind of “normality” for those kids. Obviously, even more happy for my own child - he has no siblings, he is a very social child and was struggling with not seeing his friends.

2) the tests are rubbish though
They must be a damn sight better than no tests at all

My fear with the test is that the high number of false negatives up to 50% according to Liverpool will give a false sense of security. This roll redukt in less kids and staff brjng sent home to self isolate meaning it could be circulating more ib school than we realise.
Although given that some parents idea of SI is weird. Let's take the SI child on the school run with other kids and stand outside local shop chatting to friends. 20 fucking days of this I witnessed at the end of last term .

O and before anyone njmps on me I know for r a fact that these kids should been home and they were teenagers with no SEN. Yes I know not everyone knows about SEN. I don't discuss my kids SEN with acquaintances it J know these kids well as they volunteer with my dd

Do you have any idea how you sound? To me it is so bloody disappointing to see people who have chosen teaching presumably because they value education and perceive the great benefits of a good education, how vital school is for many for providing structure, discipline, care, consistency, friendships and so on. The importance of sharing and negotiating with peers, teamwork, camaraderie, even of ignoring loudmouths and standing up to mean comments. It's disappointing that some teachers have lost sight of the irreplaceable aspects of their role and the pivotal part they play in young people's lives that with the best will you can't achieve in anything like the sane way sat in separate houses on zoom. It is way way beyond parents "not being arsed" to educate their own kids. If you truly can't see that any more then teaching isn't for you any more. Really it's not.

Well said. I sincerely hope that the majority of teachers don't think this way!

@MmeLaraque Having a go at those not coping in this situation, you don't know their personal circumstances, whether they have children with SEN etc. It's not a case of parents can't be arsed it's a case of parents can't for whatever reason cope with teaching their children. I could manage quite well teaching my eldest and I am but my youngest is now 2 weeks behind because of his special needs. Not through lack of trying and simply put need a break sleeping 4 hours or less a night every night cause he's not sleeping for the last however many weeks certainly isn't helping. You seem to deem anyone who needs their kids to go back as lazy or selfish parents. Simply not the case. If there was other support in place or another way round it then I'd jump at the chance right now because simply can't cope with it anymore and the teachers know it and don't deem me as being lazy or not trying. The first day they go back I will probably come home, have a day off work and have a nap because I need it, suppose you think thats selfish, lazy parenting too. Thats coming from someone who is supposed to be shielding as well due to being clinically extremely vulnerable, so well aware of the risks involved and no I've not been called up for a vaccination yet.

Amazing I cannot wait ! I've been teaching throughout anyway as I'm SEN but I am beyond thrilled that my kids can go to school!

I can't wait for DS to be back, trying to work whilst he is having meltdown in the background is crap, he does no work and also is trying to stop his little sister from working. I am trying to make phone calls with him swearing and screaming in the background.

If that makes me a shit parent by admitting that, then so be it.

It is not SAFE to go back to school (whether you are child or adult worker there).

There will be new infections - mild and serious - some mild with serious long-term effects - and some children and some adults will die.

However, many children and adults will be ok.

The size of risk being taken is acceptable to your government.

THey have the figures and feel that there are enough ICU beds available now to cover the inevitable increase in infections and complications. (This is one definition of 'safe' - or acceptable risk.)

It is also true for some people- it is not safe to stay at home.

The only question for us will be : how do you feel about the risk or your child of going in (of mild illness/serious illness/death/long-term effects) or of staying home.

(I think that it is a health lottery we are entering. Do you feel lucky?)