In two weeks pupils can safely return to school..

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..can they fuck.

There maybe plenty of reasons why they have too but to lie that it's safe is deplorable.

@Myothercarisalsoshit

So sorry you've been put in this position *@mumsneedwine* Good for you for going sick. I heard tonight that one of my friend's co - workers, a fit and healthy 43 year old, died of COVID just before half term. A deputy head. I get that parents are fed up, I really do. I work in a very disadvantaged area and I fully understand that my class need to be with me. I am so looking forward to having them back and getting them back on track but surely people can see that people will get sick and some of those people will die? What many posters seem to be saying on here is that they know that it's not safe but actually they're pretty happy to let school staff take that risk. Well fuck you very much. I hope you understand that schools are hanging by a thread. All those little extras, all those things that bring such happiness - the fun, the extra resources, the treats, the enthusiasm - that all comes from teachers. There's none so blind as them that will not see I suppose.

this. "I can't cope. Teachers should cope... take my kids... "

It's clear that opening schools will kill more people. School staff will die. People here apparently don't care. Provided someone else looks after and educates their kids.

School teachers have kids too. Who looks after their kids when they're dead because parents/guardians couldn't be arsed to look after/educate their own kids?

I feel your pain.
When a staff member got sick, a year group and half of the breakfast/after school club was affected either with quarantine requirements, illness or by the loss of childcare.

The high number of siblings meant that everyone was on edge whenever a kid or staff member got sick... waiting to see if it would spread from one school bubble to the rest of the family and into other class and year groups.

Homeschooling can be a drag, but the yo-yo-ing between school and quarantine (and even a potential quarantine) was disruptive and nerve racking.

@Remmy123

Don't send your kids then. Simple.

Sick of these threads.

Me too zzzz

Is everyone aware that this constant swiping at the ‘other’ group is basically creating a situation of increasingly polarised views and very little empathy.

Of course most parents are concerned about staff well being and of course most teachers want to do what they’re great at (in person) in the best interests of children, but still have reservations for their own health and safety. Those are emotions people are able to hold at the same time - I do. It’s not either or. Only people at ‘fault’ here is the govt for failing to invest. It’s not parents or not teachers.

Positive action is writing to a letter to your MP. I have. Have you? Complaining to a load of MNetters gets us all precisely nowhere.

School staff will die.
The death rate in under 65s (the age of 95%+ of teachers I would imagine?) is negligible; the risk of school staff dying from Covid is probably the same as them having an aneurysm, being killed in a car accident, having pneumonia etc. The vast, vast majority of deaths are in over 75s. Any vulnerable staff will have had at least one dose of their vaccine by the time they return, and early indications are that the vaccination program is reducing hospitalisations by 90%.

I'm not sure if England will be following similar plans to Wales but teachers here now have to wear masks even in nursery classes, as well as test twice a week.

The rates in Wales are now 80 in 100k, and coupled with the measures they're taking I can't see any reason not to give children the education they need and deserve.

As has been said multiple times, the lockdowns were meant to protect the NHS lot stop spreading a virus that in MOST cases is similar to the flu.

A lot of students have returned to my daughter's secondary school already (mine have been there throughout) as I assume they are KW children.
22 in youngest daughter class and 15 in eldest. No cases since January and only 3 cases throughout the whole pandemic.
So obviously biased but I agree they need to be back in and am really glad Boris decided to send them back.

I’ve been teaching secondary for 18 years. I’ve run lunchtime clubs; after school clubs; Saturday morning GCSE revision clubs; early morning before the exam revision clubs. I’ve arranged and supervised trips during the holidays, I’ve run extra classes during the holidays for those who need catch-up or support. I’ve paid for pens for my students, bought paper for the copier so we could print off coursework. I’ve bought shoes for past pupils, uniform, food and so much more. I’ve never expected thanks, always just got on with the job.

But I am disgusted with the shit that’s being said about teachers on social media. I state that I’m worried about lack of PPE, I get slated. I say I’m glad pupils have to wear masks, I called a child abuser and barbaric. I say rotas would be better, I get told I’m lazy; or I don’t care about kid’s mental health. I worked in school full time during lockdown 1 and got parents complaining about the lack of online provision. I explained what I was doing and got accused of ‘probably’ sunbathing with a martini in my back garden?! I log onto Facebook and a ex pupil, now parent is literally slagging us off as if we personally closed the schools. An ex-pupil that benefited from my own unpaid time on more than a few occasions.

I’m absolutely stunned. Over the past few weeks I feel I’ve just about had enough. From now on I will only be doing exactly what I’m paid to do. Nothing more. I really hope other staff aren’t feeling as shit as I’m feeling now, otherwise the pandemic is going to be the least of the public’s, parents and pupil’s problems.

who looks after their kids when they're dead because parents/guardians can't be arsed to look after/educate their own kids?

I wonder how many carers on minimum wage have made the same comments about looking after other peoples loved ones over the past 12 months? Especially those in care homes caring for multiple covid positive residents with a measly paper mask and plastic Apron if they were lucky, that probably had the same effect as putting out an inferno with a sprinkler.

Comments like that boil my piss

this. "I can't cope. Teachers should cope... take my kids... "

It's clear that opening schools will kill more people. School staff will die. People here apparently don't care. Provided someone else looks after and educates their kids.

School teachers have kids too. Who looks after their kids when they're dead because parents/guardians couldn't be arsed to look after/educate their own kids?

Fucking hell, this has to be amongst the worst comments written.

I think teachers should be vaccinated, well all school staff really, I think nursery staff should be too. The problem is where to draw the line. Do supermarket staff get the vaccine? Delivery drivers? Anyone who interacts with the public?
Parents want their children to be in school because we aren't teachers and many have their own jobs to try and do too.
I don't think it's just about not caring (though I'm sure some don't) it's about the fact most teachers are good at their job, most parents aren't teachers so can't offer the same level of education.

because parents/guardians couldn't be arsed to look after/educate their own kids?

That’s what a teacher is paid to do though.

Or why do you think we spend large amount of tax payer money on teachers?

Totallyfedup

I really hope other staff aren’t feeling as shit as I’m feeling now, otherwise the pandemic is going to be the least of the public’s, parents and pupil’s problems

I would say that the pandemic is already the least of most people's problems. Teachers do at least still have a job to go back to, which is more than an awful lot of us have.

I would gladly swap right now. You can have my income (£0 since last March) and my mortgage and my daily horror. I'll have your job and security and income in return.

I'm not teacher-bashing, btw. My DC have had some stupendously good teachers, as did I, and I was married to a (very good) teacher.

I just wish, sometimes, that people with jobs of any description would spare a thought for those of us who work in sectors which may never re-open.

@MmeLaraque

Just wow.
Please get some help.

Yes this whole idea that it's only snowflake parents who value their kids actually being in school is one of the more bizarre attitudes to come out of covid, and the fact it's so prevalent on a parenting website is a bit odd too. It's not unreasonable to find the whole home schooling business all a bit unsatisfactory. As others have said, that's not mutually exclusive with caring about teachers and their safety. As a keyworker I have kept the kids home to try and reduce risk to teachers but I have really struggled as have they. I want them back in.

@Totallyfedup1979

Very well said.

*It's clear that opening schools will kill more people. School staff will die. People here apparently don't care. Provided someone else looks after and educates their kids.

School teachers have kids too. Who looks after their kids when they're dead because parents/guardians couldn't be arsed to look after/educate their own kids?*

This is such emotive crap. Honestly.

I get what you’re saying but for the entirety of the pandemic the only sector I’ve seen really, properly kick off and moan and complain and whinge is teachers. Not nursery workers on minimum wage who have worked all the way through with zero PPE or desks to keep them separate.

Not care home staff who are doing personal care on a daily basis for minimum wage. Yes with a mask but that is it.

Not nurses and drs and paramedics who are with covid patients till their last breath.

Not factory workers who can have fucking horrific conditions and are told a mask is enough.

Not supermarket workers who have worked every single day since the beginning with people who probably have covid every day coughing, sneezing, touching everything with a bit of plastic to protect.

Not taxi drivers or bus drivers who take incredibly unwell people to hospital, drs, the supermarket, school.

This is getting ridiculous. We love teachers, you do an incredible job. But for gods sake this is getting ridiculous now. Work or don’t. That’s all you gotta do.

totallyfedup I am not surprised that you are, no-one should have to put up with that type of abuse being thrown at you. I think far too often it is easy to forget that there are real people involved in all this, but it is also important to remember how everyone has their own concerns and worries and often these will be in conflict.

Thank you for all you have done and do, remember the majority will appreciate it.

Though I still stand by my shock at the comment above, that was a dreadful thing that was said.

Such a shame they didn't hold off until after Easter. Yes things are looking much better but those extra few weeks and the Easter holiday itself would have put us all in an even better position. Daily cases would be even lower and the vaccination programme further ahead.

Fingers crossed that the R rate doesn't increase substantially and prolong restrictions, as well as causing further deaths.

[quote Anna12345678910]@MmeLaraque

Just wow.
Please get some help.[/quote]
Really? I don't need help at all. I'm not voting Tory (no one in my house ever has) and don't agree with anything they've said so far. They're bungling incompetents. If you disagree with that, *you are the one needing help. Lots of it.

"It's clear that opening schools will kill more people. School staff will die. People here apparently don't care. Provided someone else looks after and educates their kids.

School teachers have kids too. Who looks after their kids when they're dead because parents/guardians couldn't be arsed to look after/educate their own kids?"

Excuse me but teachers are paid to educate my children. Who looks after shopkeepers' kids when they die because you couldn't be added to source your own food from farms? Who looks after police officers' kids when they die because you couldn't be added to stop people committing crimes? Who looks after doctors' children when they die because you couldn't be arsed treating your own infections with home remedies? Who looks after taxi drivers' kids when they die because you couldn't be arsed walking home from the station? Or is it only teachers who should be exempted from their job?

Do you have any idea how you sound? To me it is so bloody disappointing to see people who have chosen teaching presumably because they value education and perceive the great benefits of a good education, how vital school is for many for providing structure, discipline, care, consistency, friendships and so on. The importance of sharing and negotiating with peers, teamwork, camaraderie, even of ignoring loudmouths and standing up to mean comments. It's disappointing that some teachers have lost sight of the irreplaceable aspects of their role and the pivotal part they play in young people's lives that with the best will you can't achieve in anything like the sane way sat in separate houses on zoom. It is way way beyond parents "not being arsed" to educate their own kids. If you truly can't see that any more then teaching isn't for you any more. Really it's not.

Obviously my post has autocorrected "arsed" to "added" repeatedly. Bloody computer.

Wow, great post Psychobobble

@Psychobobble

"It's clear that opening schools will kill more people. School staff will die. People here apparently don't care. Provided someone else looks after and educates their kids.

School teachers have kids too. Who looks after their kids when they're dead because parents/guardians couldn't be arsed to look after/educate their own kids?"

Excuse me but teachers are paid to educate my children. Who looks after shopkeepers' kids when they die because you couldn't be added to source your own food from farms? Who looks after police officers' kids when they die because you couldn't be added to stop people committing crimes? Who looks after doctors' children when they die because you couldn't be arsed treating your own infections with home remedies? Who looks after taxi drivers' kids when they die because you couldn't be arsed walking home from the station? Or is it only teachers who should be exempted from their job?

Do you have any idea how you sound? To me it is so bloody disappointing to see people who have chosen teaching presumably because they value education and perceive the great benefits of a good education, how vital school is for many for providing structure, discipline, care, consistency, friendships and so on. The importance of sharing and negotiating with peers, teamwork, camaraderie, even of ignoring loudmouths and standing up to mean comments. It's disappointing that some teachers have lost sight of the irreplaceable aspects of their role and the pivotal part they play in young people's lives that with the best will you can't achieve in anything like the sane way sat in separate houses on zoom. It is way way beyond parents "not being arsed" to educate their own kids. If you truly can't see that any more then teaching isn't for you any more. Really it's not.

I know *exactly how that reads. Teachers choose to teach. They didn't choose to work in an environment that could so easily kill. Perhaps that's why some are using s 44 and resigning.

The majority of your post is pure "whataboutism". That, and gaslighting... "You cannot possibly be worthy as a teacher because you value your life..." you workign for Johnson and Cummings, perchance?

They didn't choose to work in an environment that could so easily kill.

What about all the other professions the poster mentioned. They didn’t choose it either. I bet you’d have something to say if the police, medics, food production staff refused to do their jobs.

The majority of your post is pure "whataboutism". That, and gaslighting

It absolutely isn’t. You’re paid to do a job. Get on with it or get out, like everyone else has had to do in the last year.

" They didn't choose to work in an environment that could so easily kill. "

A) not anywhere near the top of the risk of dying from covid list of professions

B) neither did virtually anyone else, save maybe the army.

Come on, you have entirely lost perspective. Anyone who speaks passionately about the importance of education whilst reviewing the statistical risk of the role and not finding it way worse than other jobs is a Tory plant now? Jesus wept.