In two weeks pupils can safely return to school..

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..can they fuck.

There maybe plenty of reasons why they have too but to lie that it's safe is deplorable.

Mumsneedwine. So you requested avaccinebecause you are moderately vulnerable. And the GP said, you are not moderately vulnerable. So what, exactly, is the problem? Either you are at no particular risk. Or your GP has got it wrong. And instead of getting offyourbackside to sort it out, you're whingeing forhourson end on mumsnet. Struggling to sympathise with you

@Sockbogies

Why should teachers get the vaccination ahead of police officers, who get spat at and deal with crowds of people in very close proximity? Or nursery workers who change nappies and cuddle the babies/toddlers? Or many other professions that deal with people face to face, and at best might have a flimsy face mask?

The point, which you appear to have utterly missed, is that until the majority *have been vaccinated, it is not safe to "get back to normal" whatever the hell anyone classes as normal,

The Tories have been bungling this every step of the way. Every damned step. Watching/keeping even a vague eye on what happens in politics in the UK is incredible. The UK govt have spent over a decade demonising the elderly, the vulnerable, the disabled, and anyone else they thought they could demonise.

They don't give a fiddler's fart about anyone except themselves. They enjoy watching people squabble amongst themselves, because that means fewer people to hold them to account for their appalling incompetence.

@P999 please learn to read. It's a v useful skill. I am vulnerable, in group 6. As decided by my GP. However no vaccine invite yet as they have not got round to me. Is that clear enough ? I can write it again in French or Spanish if it would help.

@Xenia

I am with SirChing on this and there are risks every day to teachers and everyone anyway. it is about balancing risks and damage done if children don't go back to school.. We have about 1.7m unemployed (we had 3m in 1982 when I graduated - the worst then for 50 years) but the 1.7m is likely to grow. We are in a very difficult situation and right from day 1 hard choices had to be made.

I am glad masks in secondary schools will just be advisory utnil 21 June or whatever D day is, as I don't think teenagers should have to wear them in the classroom even if they have no medical reason not to wear them and even if they do not suffer "extreme distress" by wearing them, but let us wait to see what the legislation says and what head teachers decide. I do see the guidance says no child should be forced to wear a mask so that at least is encouraging.

You don't think teenagers should have to wear masks? Why? Are they somehow immune?

@Randomschoolworker19

This sums up what I think.

That is precisely what this is. Again. It's shit.

"Almost one third of all patients who have needed hospital treatment for COVID since the pandemic began were admitted last month.

Hospitals treated a total of 242,307 patients who were confirmed to have COVID last year.

That compares with 101,956 in January 2021, new figures revealed today show."

From here: www.england.nhs.uk/2021/02/hospitals-admit-one-third-of-covid-patients-in-a-single-month/

So what does the English govt do? Open all the schools. Send all the kids back to school.

Johnson *knows that easing lockdown is going to lead to more cases, more hospitalisations and more deaths. Still, he has so many people clamouring for him to do exactly that. I wonder if those people think they/their families are somehow immune?

The point, which you appear to have utterly missed, is that until the majority have been vaccinated, it is not safe to "get back to normal" whatever the hell anyone classes as normal*

Ah, ok. Given that it will be summer before all adults are vaccinated, it seems that you would like schools to be out until then?

What happened to teachers saying they were happy to go back once they and the students in secondary schools were allowed to wear masks? And have regular testing? That's suddenly not enough now that you have it?

I'm sitting in the sunshine having my lunch in courtyard having spent a lovely morning with 25 year 11s. We can't go back as we never left - just the students did. Masks will be great in classrooms and I know my students will wear them because they respect my health. My local supermarket have given me a spare Perspex screen so I will have some protection. Hoping group 6 all get vaccinated in next few weeks so I can be back in lessons. Which is where all teachers want to be. Testing all 2,000 kids 3 times is going to be a challenge as we have 5 staff doing the tests, but that's not my problem.
Oooh year 7s coming to join me in sun. They know to stay 2m+ away. The kids never have a problem with the rules.

@mumsneedwine

I'm sitting in the sunshine having my lunch in courtyard having spent a lovely morning with 25 year 11s. We can't go back as we never left - just the students did. Masks will be great in classrooms and I know my students will wear them because they respect my health. My local supermarket have given me a spare Perspex screen so I will have some protection. Hoping group 6 all get vaccinated in next few weeks so I can be back in lessons. Which is where all teachers want to be. Testing all 2,000 kids 3 times is going to be a challenge as we have 5 staff doing the tests, but that's not my problem. Oooh year 7s coming to join me in sun. They know to stay 2m+ away. The kids never have a problem with the rules.

And?

You are the one who has posted prolificly about going off sick due to the rules not being enough. So now you have more mitigation measures and are STILL planning to defraud your school by claiming you are ill when you are not, instead of doing the decent thing and taking unpaid leave.

It seems like rules are only there to be followed when they benefit you, otherwise you have zero problem defrauding your school to get your own way. Perhaps bleat about others following rules when you do the same?

@nostaples

I am a teacher. I am working. But I'm not IN work.

The FACT is that teachers are no more at risk than any other job. I have sympathy with the vulnerable as with anyone vulnerable in any other profession but if you think that teaching is more risky than any other job you are just wrong. It's much riskier to be a taxi driver, secretary or hair dresser. Nobody is banging on about their rights or safety.

Loads of us are in work and have been since January. I find it so bizarre that the solution, for you, is for no one to “bang on about their rights or safety” in the middle of a pandemic, rather than to lift the voices of EVERYONE working in an unsafe environment.

Just really glad a plan has been put in place to help medically vulnerable children and families with medically vulnerable members, get back to school as safely as possible...especially children, as of course they won't be vaccinated until trials have been done, and will have missed nearly a whole year of school.

....oh they didn't....

oh well, we can just keep our kids off and deregister if we have to, piece of piss!

I am so surprised by the amount of posts saying, 'my children cant wait to be back in school's
Really?
My children never want to go back, anybody else's children not want to go back?

@HazeyJaneII

Just really glad a plan has been put in place to help medically vulnerable children and families with medically vulnerable members, get back to school as safely as possible...especially children, as of course they won't be vaccinated until trials have been done, and will have missed nearly a whole year of school.

....oh they didn't....

oh well, we can just keep our kids off and deregister if we have to, piece of piss!

My DS(16) wants to stay at home. He has full timetable remote provision so it is not like he doesn't have a full school day at the moment, but seems to prefer remote provision

@HazeyJaneII It's terrible that a plan hasn't been put in place for those children, though I am not sure what measures could be brought in to absolutely guarantee that they wouldn't catch covid?

It must be a really rough position to be in

Agreed, @HazeyJaneII. How children with medical conditions and other vulnerabilities and disabilities in the face of covid are being treated is appalling. Our children clearly do not matter. How utterly unvalued they are, despite the fact that by far the majority of them will be productive members of society in future years. Apparently their need to get ahead isn't important

what drives me mad is all the photos are of children sat in spacious clear classrooms, with lots of SD all sitting rigidly still...

its just not the reality.

@SpringisSpinning I have complained to the BBC before when they were showing very misleading photos of children SD with about 4 children in class when they were talking about how schools would be when all children returned. I got a meaningless response from them, but did note that some of the more misleading photos weren't being used anymore.

What I also hate is Boris etc don't visit dilapidated schools with windows that don't open, apart from the draughts coming through the cracks, mismatched school furniture, damp patches/mould on the walls etc. Children wrapped in blankets because the heating is inadequate with the windows being open.

I gathered Nightingale schools are not going to spring up overnight!? Enclosed indoor poorly ventilated over crowding is an obvious own goal built in risk factor. Schools are possibly same high risk environments as factories etc but with a lower average age profile. Surely all other risk mitigation measures making scientific sense should therefore be compulsory.

@Jellybaby4

I am so surprised by the amount of posts saying, 'my children cant wait to be back in school's Really? My children never want to go back, anybody else's children not want to go back?

Possibly if they were allowed to see their friends as normal then they probably wouldn't be that bothered about school, not saying they wouldn't want to go back just they wouldn't be bothered either way. However schools returning, at the moment, is the only way they have of being with children their own age. Children need social and emotional interactions as well academic learning, they learn a lot of that unintentionally in the school environment.

Mine talk more to their friends on Xbox than they could in school!

My primary school child is already in and ecstatic to be getting his mates back, and the other two want to go back so they can be with their friends

(No rules broken here!)

@Crocodilesoup

Mine talk more to their friends on Xbox than they could in school!

That’s what weekends will return being for 😁

@Crocodilesoup

Mine talk more to their friends on Xbox than they could in school!

My eldest dc do too but the youngest (6) is too young for all that. Yesterday he met a boy in his class at the park, I dont know the Mum it wasn't planned, the smiles and laughter coming from them playing was lovely to see, it was the first time since before Xmas he had interacted and played with someone his own age. He buzzed off it all night facetiming Grandma to tell her all about seeing boy X and the games they played in the park. He went to sleep a happy smiling little boy, I didn't realise just how much he missed his friends. He has never moaned about being off school and accepted he now does lessons via zoom because he's a kid and he's resilient, but it didn't mean he was happy. It was a light bulb moment for me tbh.

@SirChing have a lovely day.