In two weeks pupils can safely return to school..

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..can they fuck.

There maybe plenty of reasons why they have too but to lie that it's safe is deplorable.

@TwelvePaws

"because you can mute the dick heads who insist on disrupting"

My kids have loved the fact that teachers can do this. Some kids are so rude and disruptive, I don’t know how teachers cope with them in the classroom.

Yes I am surprised the teachers union haven't ask for masks, social distancing and a mute button in every classroom

@echt

Unfortunately this minority of parents come on here and shout very loudly. It becomes very tiresome, especially when they fail to understand schools are safe for children and teachers are at no greater risk than anyone else

The latest ONS data shows teachers as the second highest rate of Covid+ infection.

Second highest after how many other jobs? Probably hundreds, as the categories are so broad. You work with people, you get bugs. It goes with the territory.

CANNOT WAIT!

@GintyMcGinty

*"because you can mute the dick heads who insist on disrupting"

"My kids have loved the fact that teachers can do this. Some kids are so rude and disruptive, I don’t know how teachers cope with them in the classroom."*

At least you get some live teaching and human interaction. We have had zero.

My ds is college.

He gets 9-4or 4.30 4 days a week as per in college.

His class is just 15 students doing a T level.

I'm concerned about his return though as 16 and CV and no idea when he'll get vaccine despite being group 6.

I believe teachers get tested once or twice a week though. The general population don’t get regular tests. Therefore figures for teachers will always be higher than average, and it’s not necessarily a true reflection.

It's based on the sampling, not on tests done at workplaces or with symptoms. (and anyway your statement isn't correct)

If TAs and secondary teachers were separate groups they would be higher than eg secretaries but all the education professionals have been put together. There were also very samll smaple sizes for some of the occupations.

You can read the data, examine the datasets and read the accompanying explanations at

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19infectionsinthecommunityinengland/characteristicsofpeopletestingpositiveforcovid19inengland22february2021#likelihood-of-testing-positive-for-covid-19-by-occupation

The damage that has been done to children’s mental health, especially in this latest lockdown is immeasurable. It might not be risk free, but as others have said, not everything in life is.

@echt

Unfortunately this minority of parents come on here and shout very loudly. It becomes very tiresome, especially when they fail to understand schools are safe for children and teachers are at no greater risk than anyone else

The latest ONS data shows teachers as the second highest rate of Covid+ infection.

No it doesn't. They are 4th.

I’m desperate for my daughter to go back to school but this is too much too soon, there’s a reason Wales, Scotland and N.I have opted for a phased return to school.

Staff at our secondary have tested twice a week since the end of November. Any positive cases get reported to PHE.

@pinkhappy

I am really happy that schools are going to open. A little sad about masks in secondary school but it's a small price to pay.

Why are you sad about masks *anywhere? Are you/your kids immune? If so, you'/they woudl be of interest to those trying to control/defeat this one.

"Happy that schools are going to open"? Really? Scores of unvaccinated kids, with unvacccinated staff in close contact in an enclosed building. Did you not do science at school?

The ignorance in here is astounding.

[quote piggywaspushed]I believe teachers get tested once or twice a week though. The general population don’t get regular tests. Therefore figures for teachers will always be higher than average, and it’s not necessarily a true reflection.

It's based on the sampling, not on tests done at workplaces or with symptoms. (and anyway your statement isn't correct)

If TAs and secondary teachers were separate groups they would be higher than eg secretaries but all the education professionals have been put together. There were also very samll smaple sizes for some of the occupations.

You can read the data, examine the datasets and read the accompanying explanations at

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19infectionsinthecommunityinengland/characteristicsofpeopletestingpositiveforcovid19inengland22february2021#likelihood-of-testing-positive-for-covid-19-by-occupation[/quote]
All of the categories are grouped together. The top category includes police, probation, prison staff, army, navy, firefighters etc.
The second category includes fitness instructors, childcare workers, hairdressers, personal care staff who visit you at home, people who do botox etc.

Each of these categories will include some jobs with higher exposure (eg personal care staff) and some with less (eg cosmetologists).

Later in the stats the job roles are more finely grained and you can see individual job risks, eg primary vs secondary teacher (TAs were higher risk than either). Teachers are not way out ahead in those stats.

@Psychobobble

The ONS survey from Sept to Jan is out today and if we are vaccinating people in jobs at highest risk of exposure then we need to vaccinate police, probation service, army, prison staff, fire brigade, hairdressers, childcare staff, funeral directors, and secretarial staff before teachers...

I get the anxiety. I work in schools. But we aren't any more special than any other profession. What if the police or prison staff all decided to go off until 3 weeks after they were all vaccinated?

I have just booked my vaccination as part of council front line worker category. I'm not bothered about myself, I don't want to risk passing it on to anyone.

It is annoying how the unions have tried to make this all about protecting teachers. That was never the reason for the lockdown or school closures.

@Wishihadanalgorithm

As a teacher I am bloody delighted I can get back to school and teach in my classroom with children sat in front of me. Yes we will all be masked and visored up with hand gel and disinfectant wet wipes everywhere but I will be in a classroom with real live pupils in front of me and I can’t wait!

In my live lessons today I was talking to my students about this and they all can’t wait to return as well. I suspect very, very few parents will want to keep their children at home if my students are anything to go by.

I'm only half way through this thread but just had to say what a refreshingly positive post from a teacher. Makes such a change on here. 👏

No, I know which is why I attached the dataset. Do read the commentary though. You will also know the sample size for some of the jobs you cite was tiny.

It still paints a different picture to the previous ONS survey which Chris Whitty still alluded to today despite the previous survey being criticised by the Royal Statistical Authority (may have slightly made that name up..)

Overseas teacher here.

We went back yesterday, which was fantastic. So happy to have my dc back in class & to be back to teaching face to face.

First bubble popped by lunchtime when one of my ds's mates started feeling rough. So the year group was out today.

Luckily, the lad tested negative today so they're all back in tomorrow.

But - whilst I don't want at all to piss on anyone's delight at seeing their dc back to school, it's going to be covid Hokey Cokey for the foreseeable.

Oh, & in the U.K., where the lack of precautions have the rest of us agog in horror, there'll be quite a lot of teachers very sensibly not risking it, so there is also that.

Teachers no more at risk than farm workers apparently. Seems a very big stretch to me.

@Psychobobble

The ONS survey from Sept to Jan is out today and if we are vaccinating people in jobs at highest risk of exposure then we need to vaccinate police, probation service, army, prison staff, fire brigade, hairdressers, childcare staff, funeral directors, and secretarial staff before teachers...

I get the anxiety. I work in schools. But we aren't any more special than any other profession. What if the police or prison staff all decided to go off until 3 weeks after they were all vaccinated?

Comparing the police and prison service to schools. That's actually bloody funny, but woudl you understand *why?

Those people wanting hair and nails done: just go and do whatever you want to do. It's clear from so many posts here that lots of you want to do that. The people who are busy with hair, nails etc? Morticians. So go on....

Teachers no more at risk than farm workers apparently

That is definitely not what the data says.

[quote mumsneedwine]@gottakeeponmovin sod that. I'm going off sick 🤒 [/quote]
You’re so worried about your safety at school that you’re prepared to take unpaid leave. Oh wait, no, you’ll lie about being sick instead to make sure you get paid

@VioletAlder

Overseas teacher here.

We went back yesterday, which was fantastic. So happy to have my dc back in class & to be back to teaching face to face.

First bubble popped by lunchtime when one of my ds's mates started feeling rough. So the year group was out today.

Luckily, the lad tested negative today so they're all back in tomorrow.

But - whilst I don't want at all to piss on anyone's delight at seeing their dc back to school, it's going to be covid Hokey Cokey for the foreseeable.

Oh, & in the U.K., where the lack of precautions have the rest of us agog in horror, there'll be quite a lot of teachers very sensibly not risking it, so there is also that.

This. The UK has lots of other countries agog. "What are they *doing? Are they really this stupid?"

Apparently, yes, enough people *are this stupid.

That's what a rubbish education system does for people: no critical thinking skills.

@lightand

Teachers no more at risk than farm workers apparently. Seems a very big stretch to me.

Oh yes, silly me, I forgot that the majority of schools have their classrooms in fields: I must be dreaming when I see hedges made of bricks with windows in them.

Boris Johnson clearly avoids including teachers in the safe category because he knows but doesn't give a flying fuck: "All the evidence shows that schools are safe and the risk posed to children by Covid is vanishingly small," the Prime Minister Boris Johnson told a press conference on Monday evening.

@lightand

Teachers no more at risk than farm workers apparently. Seems a very big stretch to me.

Where did you read that nonsense ?

Yes loving no this news about time 😀

@MmeLaraque
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Those professions were, according to the ons survey, at higher risk of getting covid between Sept and Jan than teachers. Those are the statistics. I am not comparing except to say that if school staff such as myself perceive that we are in especial need of vaccinating out of turn because we are at the highest risk, well we aren't. We are high risk, yes, but less high risk than those other jobs and no one on here is yelling that the police or fire brigade should wfh until they are vaccinated.