In two weeks pupils can safely return to school..

[Regulus]

..can they fuck.

There maybe plenty of reasons why they have too but to lie that it's safe is deplorable.

[quote mumsneedwine]@ineedaholidaynow but no one wants to hear it. That's why I believe we are heading for another peak. When it's totally avoidable. But we tried to tell them what would happen last term and they didn't listen. [/quote]
Oh my word at this

Good thing we have the vaccines huh

[quote mumsneedwine]@ineedaholidaynow but no one wants to hear it. That's why I believe we are heading for another peak. When it's totally avoidable. But we tried to tell them what would happen last term and they didn't listen. [/quote]
Peak in what? Cases? Or hospitalisations?

@mumsneedwine but this term is massively different to last term because we have a rolled out successful vaccinated programme!!!! There's data which shows that the vaccine programme has reduced the number of hospital admissions which is such good news ! We weren't at this stage last September!

As a teacher I am bloody delighted I can get back to school and teach in my classroom with children sat in front of me. Yes we will all be masked and visored up with hand gel and disinfectant wet wipes everywhere but I will be in a classroom with real live pupils in front of me and I can’t wait!

In my live lessons today I was talking to my students about this and they all can’t wait to return as well. I suspect very, very few parents will want to keep their children at home if my students are anything to go by.

@ivfbeenbusy

Yawn

These threads are becoming boring

Teachers are no more at risk than anyone else.

Yes they are. The ONS data for teacher deaths/infections looked at 9 months, 6 months of which schools were closed. The infection rates over that 9 months were effectively over 3 months. No other jobs require people to be in an enclosed poorly ventilated room from 9-3.30, no social distancing, no masks, sitting next to children listening to them read, performing first aid, cleaning up after toilet accidents, clearing away plates, comforting, holding hands (no matter how often hands are washed children do pick their noses a lot) etc etc. Teachers will be in with 30 odd children who are mixing with other bubbles at outdoor sports/groups - primary. Secondary will be mixing with hundreds every day.

People on MN often say "but what about supermarkets etc" but in supermarkets there is only ever fleeting close contact, masks are mostly worn and there is never any personal care. Numbers in shops are limited.
Bus drivers are behind screens next to a window that can open and passengers wear masks.
Factory workers can wear masks, socially distance, they don't need to perform personal care on each other either and I assume nose piercing cling is less frequent

Children are often asymptomatic so they are in schools whilst infected passing it on and when the teacher comes down with COVID, it's blamed on the teacher. Infection rates in primary and secondary children were very high.

How can you say teachers are not at higher risk?

@TheKeatingFive

I just want measures in place to make them safer.

Well now you have masks in secondary. What else do you want?

I’ve said in my previous post - staggered return, rotas in secondary, masks in older primary, proper ventilation in classrooms.

@Rosehip10

Deregister and home school then. If you are a teacher who can't accept this then resign.

Or, how about, make things safe for teachers in the same way other workers are protected. Why should teachers have to resign?

@cherry2727 which is great. But on a personal level that vaccine is not in my arm, so I am at the same risk as I was last term. And this time I don't need to be. I could be safe. But the government won't allow it.

@gallbladderpain

The healthy kids can return. The vulnerable (medically) cannot, because schools are so safe...yet they aren't safe for CEV ? Even the government recognises this. So they are opening but they aren't 'safe'

Completely @gallbladderpain. But I’ve come to realise that no one cares as long as every other child gets to go back to school on March 8th.

[quote mumsneedwine]@3littlewords but I can. As a teacher I can decide 'enough'. I'm not putting myself in a risky situation anymore, not when there is a vaccine that could keep me safe. So me and my 53 year old dodgy heart will be staying home until further notice.[/quote]
As is your right too but don't focus your anger at parents supposedly not caring about you, its not them enforcing this situation no matter how happy they are their dc can return to school. Your working environment is the creation of the government the DFE and unions not parents.

@HerrWanksock sorry, but you’re completely out of line.
Read my posts on this thread and you’ll see that I support the opening of schools and am very excited to be back, because I am lucky enough to be in my 20s with no health conditions. If ANYONE who was vulnerable in ANY profession was scared, worried or anxious about going back to their job I would feel sympathy for them.
The absolute lack of empathy you’ve displayed is gross. That is no way to speak to someone. If you can’t understand why @mumsneedwine who is CV might be worried about going back to teaching, that is on you.

@HerrWanksock FYI I've reported you for a personal attack on @mumsneedwine . Calling a teacher with a heart condition 'disgusting' because she won't go back without a vaccine is pretty fucking low.

[quote mumsneedwine]@cherry2727 which is great. But on a personal level that vaccine is not in my arm, so I am at the same risk as I was last term. And this time I don't need to be. I could be safe. But the government won't allow it.[/quote]
If the vaccine lowers transmission then you're not at the same risk of catching it. If there are less cases locally you're not at the same risk of catching it.

My mistake, 'a disgrace to their profession'.

Mumsneedwine

I'm sorry some posters are giving you a hard time.
Of course, you're worried about your health - you are in a group which the government has defined as being vulnerable if they catch covid.

I'm fortunate in that I am having my vaccine this week. I'm group 6 Cv and catching covid last term, 4+ months ago, doesn't change the fact that I'm CV and that my consultant says I remain vulnerable to covid, especially as I have developed a new health condition since being ill.

I totally understand why you would feel vulnerable and concerned.
I'm not sure why some posters cannot accept that it's not selfish to be worried about your own health, when you've had the government telling you you're in a vulnerable group for the best part of a year.

I hope you get your call soon.

I think that some things should have been out in place to help keep vulnerable groups safer in schools but sadly it was never going to happen.

And as I've said in multiple threads - if other workers are not being given the basic protective measures than I fully support them in taking their employers to task. At the very least factory and shop workers, etc should be wearing masks at all times and there is little reason why Perspex screens cannot be installed in many work places I appreciate not all) It really shouldn't be a race to the bottom. We should all be supporting one another to have better work place environments.

@3littlewords what anger have I focused at anyone ? I have just been pointing out that opening schools could have kept everyone happy (well except Wanksock who seems a bit of a teenager). And safer.

I keep saying I want kids back, I'm happy for kids to be back, but I don't feel safe. And this time I'm saying no. As will many other staff.

Just the CEV children I feel for. Not because of being home I would rather mine are home but she has home schooled ALL year since last March and the only time she got a sticker / award or any praise was the last 6 weeks when they were all off.
I really hope they keep things in place so these kids at least keep their remote learning.

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch @year5teacher ah thank you. But I teach bottom set year 11 every year so Wanky socks is nothing. Think the name says it all 😂

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch I was going back through the thread to find the post again and report it but it’s gone. Good. It’s really, really low.

@mumsneedwine there is plenty of passive aggression from you towards those of us who are pleased and frankly "plenty won't go back" is an absolute nonsense. I can only imagine you are deliberately choosing to remain on this thread when you could be over in the staff room sympathising with those in a similar boat - not on a thread with parents who are mightily relieved that this hell will soon be over.

Wankysocks 🤣🤣🤣

[quote mumsneedwine]@3littlewords but I can. As a teacher I can decide 'enough'. I'm not putting myself in a risky situation anymore, not when there is a vaccine that could keep me safe. So me and my 53 year old dodgy heart will be staying home until further notice.[/quote]
Have you spoken to your employer about staying at home until you've been vaccinated? I know at my DC school one or two teachers who are higher risk were allowed to work from home from Sept to Dec setting work for those children whose bubbles had burst.
If this is what has happened and you will be able to do this I really don't see what your problem is?

[quote MilesJuppIsMyBitch]**@HerrWanksock* FYI I've reported you for a personal attack on @mumsneedwine* . Calling a teacher with a heart condition 'disgusting' because she won't go back without a vaccine is pretty fucking low.[/quote]
I agree.
Fortunately the comment itself has been deleted. However, sadly it's too late as it's been seen and commented on.

Chris Whitty speaking well on this