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Had my invite, but how can I find out in advance which jab I'll be getting?

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PerspicaciousGreen · 22/02/2021 13:14

I got one of the new shielding letters last week moving me into group six for vaccines, and had my invite today. I've been offered a choice of two centres: one place a short walk away, one absolutely miles and miles away. Plenty of appointments next week, but no information other than an appointment time to select and an address.

I will only accept certain vaccines due to religious reasons, so I would like to find out what vaccine they are distributing at each centre before I book an appointment. The close one is an ex youth centre and I googled their phone number but no one answered - presumably because the office is closed.

I don't want to waste an appointment by booking and then having to find out it's the wrong one when I get there. I suppose I could walk past it and drop in, but that seems like madness covid-wise.

WWYD?

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ILoveAllRainbowsx · 22/02/2021 14:38

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VinylDetective · 22/02/2021 14:38

@Derbee

In response to your WWYD, I’d take the vaccine and apologise to my imaginary friend after the fact
Unnecessarily nasty.

I had the AZ vaccine in a hub last week.

WannaCapybara · 22/02/2021 14:39

@murbblurb

Op, if you refuse a dose it will probably go to waste. That is fucking selfish. Either accept what you are given or dont book.
Why would it go to waste? They'll give it to the next person who rocks up five minutes later surely, and any spares at the end of the day will be planned for/given out to carers who bring people for their vaccine.
UrAWizHarry · 22/02/2021 14:39

FFS.

Just take what you are given. I'm sure God won't care.

JackieWeaverkicksarse · 22/02/2021 14:40

@Pimlicojo

You can't find out in advance and you don't get to choose on the day. Please don't waste other people's valuable time on this. You need to go along to the appointment and if you don't want what you are offered then the only time you are wasting is your own.
This.

Surely somewhere in the catholic propaganda there is a dictate that wasting time and precious resources is a sin. Selfishness is a serious n.

pommedeterre · 22/02/2021 14:41

@PuffItsGone

I really don't want this thread to turn into a pile on of people who don't have the same beliefs about the sanctity of life that I do calling me an idiot.

I personally would put the sanctity of those alive and vulnerable first and just get whichever vaccine I was (lucky enough) to be offered (for free nonetheless!)

Sanctity of life is quite an ironic phrase in this instance isn't it really?!

Medical reasons are so different to religious reasons.

Fgs1 · 22/02/2021 14:41

Just wait and go without then, stop wasting people’s time, at the minute the focus is to vaccinate people quickly.

Jaxhog · 22/02/2021 14:42

According to the Pope:

“it is morally acceptable to receive Covid-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted foetuses in their research and production process”.

The use of such vaccines “does not constitute formal cooperation with the abortion from which the cells used in production of the vaccines derive”, it said.

So I really don't see the problem from a religious perspective. Or don't you trust the Pope?

MrsWindass · 22/02/2021 14:43

@PerspicaciousGreen

Wow, I didn't realise a simple practical question was going to turn into a referendum on my entire life. Thanks to those who have let me know that the centres don't know what they're going to get until the vaccines arrive. I guess I'll just have to book an appointment and hope I get lucky and go home again if not. Shame if I had to waste an appointment someone else could have had, but there you go.

I'm perfectly aware of Catholic teaching on the matter. It's actually not "Hey, man, we're saving lives here, it's all cool." The media almost never reports anything to do with the Pope accurately, fyi, and Catholicism really isn't about just doing everything the Pope does. I really don't want this thread to turn into a pile on of people who don't have the same beliefs about the sanctity of life that I do calling me an idiot.

In brief, the Catholic Church teaches that vaccines are a matter for your individual conscience, and you are to weigh up the bad (e.g. the vaccine's relationship however close or far with abortion) with the good (e.g. the good to society). Quote from link below:

"there is a grave responsibility to use alternative vaccines and to make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have moral problems" - there is an alternative vaccine (Pfizer/Moderna vs AstraZeneca/Oxford), and I would like to exercise my right to have that one, and I'm quite happy to accept some cost to myself to do so.

I am very low risk (apart from one time having very mild GD which has put my in group 6 almost on a technicality), don't work, not planning to go to any football matches or warehouse acid raves in the near future. I totally agree that "like everyone else you are expected to have whatever is there on the day" ... or not have it. I really don't know what you imagine I would do other than just say "Oh well" and go home? Until they send the army round to strap me down and forcibly inject me (JOKE!) I've always got the choice to not have it. I don't expect anyone to a seamless equivalent service to all regardless of religious position wrt available medications , I just (wrongly) assumed that different centres would be allocated different kinds of vaccine and I'd be able to find out in advance. I'm quite happy to personally deal with the consequences of not having it or having to wait.

For those actually interested, I think this link that @RoseAndRose posted above is great: www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocument.htm This video is also good, although a little out of date: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeScAapnPGE&ab_channel=BreakingInTheHabit

Anyone who thinks they know more than I do about my own personal beliefs can, I guess, answer their own further questions, as they know so much and official Catholic teaching (in all its nuances) is widely available.

The media almost never reports anything to do with the Pope accurately, fyi, and Catholicism really isn't about just doing everything the Pope does

and you have a hot line to the Pope but at the same time don't give a shit about what he says ?

BettysButtons · 22/02/2021 14:44

"there is a grave responsibility to use alternative vaccines and to make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have moral problems" - there is an alternative vaccine (Pfizer/Moderna vs AstraZeneca/Oxford), and I would like to exercise my right to have that one, and I'm quite happy to accept some cost to myself to do so

I'm Catholic. At the moment you will get what you are given at your allocated vaccine centre. Take it or leave it OP.
After the pandemic has calmed down and people aren't working flat out to battle this virus maybe then you can request (and pay for privately) the vaccine of your choice.

Belladonna12 · 22/02/2021 14:44

@MrsWindass

Large centres eg at hospitals have the Pfizer as they have the deep freeze facility needed . The small local centres did initially have the Pfizer for older people but now are AZ due to the storage requirements .
No, the small centres sometimes have the Pfizer. Once out of the freezer it lasts for the day in the fridge so that will sometimes be delivered.
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Nanny0gg · 22/02/2021 14:44

@PerspicaciousGreen

With all the stuff in the news about how different vaccines are stored, I assumed that different centres would have different facilities and therefore be distributing different vaccines?
Nope. Mine depended on the day.
CoffeeRunner · 22/02/2021 14:45

The larger vaccination hubs that are open everyday may well not know which vaccine is being delivered until it arrives.

However I work with a GP surgery & we certainly do know which vaccine we’re getting at the time of organising clinics & booking appointments. Smaller centres have to know because of the logistics involved with Pfizer (temperatures etc). AstraZeneca can be administered 10 at a time (10 doses in a vial) & it’s fine to just get 1 vial out of the fridge at a time, whereas you need to be able to get through several hundred patients in a day to run a Pfizer clinic.

With that in mind, the smaller centre may possibly know in advance. If you turned up at our AZ clinic then we couldn’t give you a Pfizer. If you turned up at a Pfizer clinic & we had a vial of AZ in the fridge then potentially we may be able to give it (if the other doses could be used too).

acatcalledjohn · 22/02/2021 14:45

https://fullfact.org/online/foetal-cells-covid-vaccine/

No, there are no aborted foetus remnants in the AZ vaccine. HTH.

Bubbletube · 22/02/2021 14:45

You don’t get a choice, take what you’re offered and be grateful.

Belladonna12 · 22/02/2021 14:46

"there is a grave responsibility to use alternative vaccines and to make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have moral problems" - there is an alternative vaccine (Pfizer/Moderna vs AstraZeneca/Oxford), and I would like to exercise my right to have that one, and I'm quite happy to accept some cost to myself to do so

Isn't it also immoral to make an appointment and not turn up so that a life saving vaccine is potentially wasted though?

uncomfortablydumb53 · 22/02/2021 14:46

I've just booked mine for a local GP surgery on Wednesday( group 6)
There are two choices.... Take it or leave it!
Frankly I'm so bloody grateful to have it, I don't care I believe that a mass vaccination centre is more likely to have both, but the staff themselves don't know which one, until it's delivered

WumbenWimpundWoomud · 22/02/2021 14:47

Such a rich area for debate here. What if we weren’t told the ingredients, would that make any of us more or less sinful for accepting the injection? What if the cells’ origins were from a miscarried foetus - would that be ok, is it just wrong because a woman exerted choice? Would that make the person that refuses the vaccine a misogynist? Does the act of accepting a vaccine that protects others outweigh the amount of sin taking the vaccine would bestow upon someone? Would it be considered an altruistic act to accept sin to benefit society? I’m genuinely thinking through all of these.

MySocalledLoaf · 22/02/2021 14:47

Have you checked whether you are still in group 6 if the GP adds an end date to your episode of GD? If you think that you are in group 6 because of a technicality.

BettysButtons · 22/02/2021 14:47

Just to add. I am having the vaccine when it is my turn. Whichever one is offered.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55409693

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/22/vatican-says-getting-covid-vaccine-morally-acceptable

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-vaccine-coronavirus-b1785051.html

'Pope Francis calls opposition to Covid vaccine ‘suicidal denial’ and says he will get jab'

Nanny0gg · 22/02/2021 14:48

@PerspicaciousGreen

Wow, I didn't realise a simple practical question was going to turn into a referendum on my entire life. Thanks to those who have let me know that the centres don't know what they're going to get until the vaccines arrive. I guess I'll just have to book an appointment and hope I get lucky and go home again if not. Shame if I had to waste an appointment someone else could have had, but there you go.

I'm perfectly aware of Catholic teaching on the matter. It's actually not "Hey, man, we're saving lives here, it's all cool." The media almost never reports anything to do with the Pope accurately, fyi, and Catholicism really isn't about just doing everything the Pope does. I really don't want this thread to turn into a pile on of people who don't have the same beliefs about the sanctity of life that I do calling me an idiot.

In brief, the Catholic Church teaches that vaccines are a matter for your individual conscience, and you are to weigh up the bad (e.g. the vaccine's relationship however close or far with abortion) with the good (e.g. the good to society). Quote from link below:

"there is a grave responsibility to use alternative vaccines and to make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have moral problems" - there is an alternative vaccine (Pfizer/Moderna vs AstraZeneca/Oxford), and I would like to exercise my right to have that one, and I'm quite happy to accept some cost to myself to do so.

I am very low risk (apart from one time having very mild GD which has put my in group 6 almost on a technicality), don't work, not planning to go to any football matches or warehouse acid raves in the near future. I totally agree that "like everyone else you are expected to have whatever is there on the day" ... or not have it. I really don't know what you imagine I would do other than just say "Oh well" and go home? Until they send the army round to strap me down and forcibly inject me (JOKE!) I've always got the choice to not have it. I don't expect anyone to a seamless equivalent service to all regardless of religious position wrt available medications , I just (wrongly) assumed that different centres would be allocated different kinds of vaccine and I'd be able to find out in advance. I'm quite happy to personally deal with the consequences of not having it or having to wait.

For those actually interested, I think this link that @RoseAndRose posted above is great: www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocument.htm This video is also good, although a little out of date: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeScAapnPGE&ab_channel=BreakingInTheHabit

Anyone who thinks they know more than I do about my own personal beliefs can, I guess, answer their own further questions, as they know so much and official Catholic teaching (in all its nuances) is widely available.

Do what you like. However, potentially wasting an appointment is disgraceful.

Just say No Thanks till you're able to choose. And stay out of other peoples' way, if you don't mind.

BettysButtons · 22/02/2021 14:49

inews.co.uk/news/world/pope-ethical-obligation-vaccinated-catholic-church-823767
'The Pope called on everyone to get the vaccine, saying they are a lifesaving, ethical obligation'

ARoseDowntown · 22/02/2021 14:49

and I would like to exercise my right to have that one, and I'm quite happy to accept some cost to myself to do so

So selfish. The cost isn’t just to you.

This is no different from people “choosing” not to wear a mask or socially distance themselves from others in the name of hedonism. Being Catholic (or the follower of any other religion) doesn’t confer moral superiority on you or afford you special rights, certainly not enough to permit you to endanger other people’s lives or consider yourself outside the remit of public health advice.

Worse than those attending “warehouse acid raves”, in fact, are those who preach “love the neighbour” while doing the exact opposite. At least the ravers are honest.

Selfish and hypocritical.

Redburnett · 22/02/2021 14:49

I have never seen any reference anywhere to people being given a choice of vaccine.