Israel has done it: Freedom Badges for the vaccinated

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Green badges, let you go to restaurants, synagogues, swimming pools, shopping malls, etc.

I can't tell if the unvaxxed would be allowed to go to supermarket or send their kids to school.

@ragged

Green badges, let you go to restaurants, synagogues, swimming pools, shopping malls, etc.

I can't tell if the unvaxxed would be allowed to go to supermarket or send their kids to school.

Anyone can go to the supermarket and other shops, still wearing masks etc.

Regarding school, kids are back in school (except years 7-9). We have a trafiic light system: green areas are ok, kids are in capsules. In orange areas the capsules are smaller and in red areas schools are still closed and lessons are on zoom.

@ragged

... and what about residents of Palestinian territories? Don't they provide a lot of manual labour in Israel but haven't had any jabs, will they be allowed to go back to work in Israel?

www.timesofisrael.com/pa-says-jerusalem-to-vaccinate-100k-palestinian-workers-israel-no-decision-yet/

@covetingthepreciousthings

What about children and teenagers though? They won't be vaccinated.

If they want to go to a gym, pool, hotel or concert they will need a negative covid test from the last 48 hours.

Teenagers over 16 are eligible for vaccinations.

I’m intrigued about how this work in a larger population if regular boosters are required for new variants. As this would require a constant vaccination programme...for how long? Decades? Forever?

What happens if you are due a booster shot but there’s a backlog of six months, do you then have to stay at home / get sacked from work?

I note that it’s mentioned that it’s either a vaccine passport or a test 48 hours before entering certain venues. Perhaps that’s easier in a population of 9 million but in the U.K. with 68 million? Tens of millions of people being tested every couple of days.

@Donoteatthekittens

I’m intrigued about how this work in a larger population if regular boosters are required for new variants. As this would require a constant vaccination programme...for how long? Decades? Forever?

What happens if you are due a booster shot but there’s a backlog of six months, do you then have to stay at home / get sacked from work?

I note that it’s mentioned that it’s either a vaccine passport or a test 48 hours before entering certain venues. Perhaps that’s easier in a population of 9 million but in the U.K. with 68 million? Tens of millions of people being tested every couple of days.

Almost 50% of the population have had the first vaccine. So in three weeks from now, at least 50% of the poulation will be fully vaccinated. In addition, recovered covid patients can download a certificate which shows they have had the disease (they then show this instead of a green passport). So it leaves less than 50% of the popultion to produce negative tests, but only if they want to visit those places mentioned earlier.

Yes, the UK has a population of 68 million and Israel's population is 9 million, but everything is proportional. We probably have the same (or similar) numbers of tests per pop as you.

@Haiyaa

Come on now, we don’t need no stinking badges... they can just scan our microchip 😉

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Just spat my coffee out at that.

I'd forgotten that particular gem of a conspiracy theory!

When you go for your vaccine they give you a little card for stickers with the batch number of the doses you've had.

I managed to mislay mine between the waiting room and the nurse and she said 'oh, you don't want to lose that, you might find you need it to travel etc'.

I don't she knew any more than anyone else, but the thought is there.

*doubt she knew

Posters asking what happens to those who can’t have the vaccine for medical reasons - currently you can still get a visa without required vaccinations if you have a medical exemption. Surely the same thing?

As honest as I am, I would have no qualms about a fake badge under these circumstances. Terrible thing to roll to roll out.

Then you'd run the risk of a criminal record a heavy fine and or a posible custodial sentence. Having a criminal record is a lot more serious than you think. It can affect you current and any future employment espcially if you work in public services, insurance cost, travel, cerdit/mortgage, membership of trade bodies and numerous other organisations plus your finger prints and DNA are kept on file.

@Sleeplessinsaltend

Many people with drug allergies can not have the Pfizer of the AZ vaccine. Will we be excluding them from day to day activities. Also children with sever autoimmune issues (such as my oldest DD) who isn’t allowed any vaccines due to previous reactions. Will she be kicked out of uni? Barred from social life, travel and even shopping. As others have said, it’s a slippery slope.

The thing is, if everyone who can have the vaccine does have it, then the infection rates will be so low that it won't be risky for these people to go about their daily life.

I find it so odd that people are SO horrified by ID cards while willingly handing out private information online.

As others have pointed out, people who CANNOT have the yellow fever vaccine are exempted. Surely it is quite easy to understand this?

I’m really curious, not being goady...
If those of you who just don’t want to have the vaccine (just by choice) feel that it’s fair you get to go to the theatre again without any proof you’ve been vaccinated, but my immune suppressed friends (I have two, one due to cancer, one due to transplant) will have to avoid theatre until fear of virus is gone for them. Whereas, something like a vaccine passport would be inclusive of people who are exempt for medical reasons and potentially open up things like theatre to people like my friends.
It just seems obvious to me that ‘fairness’ is discussed by many who have never had to deal with true ‘unfairness’. Life is intrinsically desperately unfair, but on this issue, it’s about choice to have a vaccine or not and the resultant impact and responsibility of that should be with the people who HAVE choice, not the people who don’t.

@Sevensilverrings how is that any different than immunosuppressive people having to avoid places due to risk of flu/chickenpox etc? For the vast majority of people this is a mild illness. It is shocking that there are people who want to force people to have a vaccine for something that they may already be immune to (from having the infection) or that only poses a tiny risk to them. Slippery slope indeed and I’m always shocked by how many people seem to think this is ok.

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If they want to go to a gym, pool, hotel or concert they will need a negative covid test from the last 48 hours."

That worked out so well for the Australian open tennis. Still had positive tests after they boarded the flights.

They are doing it via a Gov't app on your phone.

So no fraudulent bits of paper or badges.

I'm having the vaccine (had first one already) but for me anything injected into your body should be with consent. I dont think that coerced consent is true consent

@Neron

I’m lost for words at the amount of people in favour of this Me too. I despair.

The simple fact is that people's right to not get a vaccine does not outweigh my right to not be around them and the danger they pose. Some people have genuine medical reasons not to get a vaccine, those people should not be ever penalised, most vaccines I get and get for DS are to protect those people first and foremost. But the people who selfishly choose not to protect the vulnerable and thus endanger us all. Fine, that's their choice. I respect that. But they equally have to respect the choice of many, many others to choose not to be endangered by them.

www.jpost.com/israel-news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-israels-green-passport-program-659437

@alittleprivacy how is someone a risk to you if they’re immune because they were previously infected?

"That worked out so well for the Australian open tennis. Still had positive tests after they boarded the flights."

I think the point is that people who were slow or reluctant to get vaccinated will be encouraged to do so, for the good of all. We've seen a slow down in vaccination rates in the 18-30 pop, probably because they think it won't affect them if they get infected, so why bother with the vaccine? If you're a 20 something gym fanatic, or you love clubbing and concerts, it's going to be a bit of a pain to get tested every two days so you can get back to doing the things you love.

@bumbleymummy, but nobody is forcing you to have it, are they? You have a choice, and your choice has consequences. Surely those consequences should be on you, not on other people?
To answer you question, It’s different for immunosuppressed people because the level of vaccination in the population for known diseases like chickenpox is already very high. We are so lucky to have immunity at this level. We protect each other in this way. I live in an area of the country where there is more vaccine refusal than most, and it is a consideration for people who are immunosuppressed who live in the area, and how they choose school etc. Measles numbers here are always higher than they need to be. There are other ways it’s different too, ie how COVID attacks the immune system specifically etc, but you can research that if you are interested.
I don’t understand the argument anyway, are you really saying ‘why should I have any rights curtailed because I refuse to acknowledge my responsibility as a member of the community I’m part of’? Do you feel like that about nurses having Heb B jabs? Are their rights curtailed? What about having jabs to travel to certain countries? At what point does your freedom to choice by necessity become a limiter for your own actions? Or do we just not have any community responsibility here?
We are all ‘recorded and tracked’ every day, from my passport if I want to travel, to bank cards, to NHS number, to my railcard, to internet algorithms, to my tesco clubcard. Many factors already determine my freedoms, based on my willingness or not to be subjected to those ‘trackers’.
I really don’t know why people think this is taking away their liberties, what liberty is it removing? You have the right to access vaccine or to refuse it, but every adult knows responsibility goes along with that freedom. (And it’s silly to say ‘what about people who can’t have it for medical reasons’ as they are not included, and it actually protects them that the rest of us do this).
You wouldn’t be allowed into a theatre or onto a plane if you weren’t dressed correctly either, for example. We all follow rules every single day. Sometimes life means the rules change.
I don’t like it either, but I know where my responsibility lies. As it happens, I don’t think it will happen or it’s a good idea, but for very different reason to do with coercion and uptake statistics in studies. I would be behind it if it increased uptake numbers though.

I meant measles, not chickenpox in pp, sorry.