Venting about family and friends not sticking to rules thread

[nanbread]

I'm feeling pissed off because I want this to end, but I know so many people of all ages and backgrounds who aren't sticking to Covid rules, and I feel like this sort of behaviour is prolonging us coming out of lockdown.

PIL have regular dinner dates (2/3 per week) with different people each time.

Friends and family members are going to each other's houses because they don't like walks. And not just locally either - in some cases traveling 50/60 miles to see friends.

Friends of my DC are having birthday parties inviting others - just slightly smaller ones, at home.

I'm not talking about people who are lonely or in MH crisis who need some human contact. I understand this situation is horrible, I hate it, and I don't blame them for wanting to socialise, but I'm annoyed that it is potentially costing my children more weeks and months off school, costing me more of my career, making me wait longer for a happier life.

I'm with you OP people are shortsighted. If everyone stuck to it for a couple of weeks and didn't send their kids to school for some spurious reason we could get back to a more normal life quicker. But so many people think they are special they can do what they like and spread this fucking virus around a bit and or won't matter as they won't get ill (missing the point entirely). I have turned down loads of invites to stuff because I am not a selfish twat.

@HopelessBlue192

You do you OP and let them do them.

Isn't it funny how there are all these people breaching covid restrictions that people go on about but the case numbers are still coming down?

That's cause most infections are being caught in hospitals and care homes

Chunkymenrock

People who do that are self entitled morons. I'm sick of people who think they're more special than other people and can ignore the rules to suit themselves.

I'm a 'rule keeper' to be fair.

Because every buggering place is closed.

The "ONLY ALLOWED OUT ONCE A DAY FOR MAX 1 HOUR PEOPLE!!!!!!" crew so seriously lack/ed reading comprehensive/and critical thinking skills that I have never felt shame in going out (not out, out - we wish) on the same day to 1. Work 2. The supermarket 3. The local park. 4. Forest.

The ways I am personally likely (legally) going to pick up Covid-19:

My hospital/dental appointments.

Travelling to work. Crammed trains (most likely) Taxis (Not so much)

Work (most likely)

Pharmacies.

Supermarkets.

Certainly, without people in my professional, many others will collapse. Many. So we go in.

@Pootle40 . "That's cause most infections are being caught in hospitals and care homes"

The stats are skewed as many infections caught in schools/with younger less vulnerable people are asymptomatic so not tested for and therefore not recorded.
Also in care homes and hospitals it is very hard to control infection whereas people being little dicks going to their mates house can be controlled (if they weren't selfish cunts).

Sonny "Spurious"

Like going to work?

For money to pay rent/mortgage/utilities?

Only rich people, and people on benefits can afford not to go to work.

If everyone stuck to it for a couple of weeks and didn't send their kids to school for some spurious reason we could get back to a more normal life quicker.

Could we have some actual evidence for this, not just you saying ‘it’s obvious!’.
The majority of infections are happening in hospitals aren’t they? So not linked to school children, socialising or anything else.

Very 1984 vibes here.

Literary experts.

Is it "the 1 hour of hate"?

Or am mixing books?

The stats are skewed as many infections caught in schools/with younger less vulnerable people are asymptomatic so not tested for and therefore not recorded.

That is just an opinion as if they aren't tested you cannot possibly know.

@nanbread Agree with you, it’s frustrating. I felt similar when people were having unnecessary dinner parties when our area was in Tier 3 and indoor mixing was not allowed. There is a tiny minority of people that think they are above the rules and are entitled to parties and fun social gatherings ( not talking about people that haven’t seen family entire pandemic and those having MH issues. ) and it’s not fair. I get why you are venting.

As for people saying vaccines are coming, yes thankfully, but last of most vulnerable who are due to be vaccinated by Monday aren’t even halfway to protected until 8th March and both doses for just that group will take until April/May, so it’s too early for any social gatherings just yet.

@HopelessBlue192

You do you OP and let them do them.

Isn't it funny how there are all these people breaching covid restrictions that people go on about but the case numbers are still coming down?

It's people like the OP who are sticking to the rules that's bringing the rates down. But I agree that we can only focus on what we are doing and can't control others. And yes they are making the situation worse for those who are following the rules and making this all last longer than it has to. And yes it is infuriating, shortsighted and selfish.

@sonnysunshine

I'm with you OP people are shortsighted. If everyone stuck to it for a couple of weeks and didn't send their kids to school for some spurious reason we could get back to a more normal life quicker. But so many people think they are special they can do what they like and spread this fucking virus around a bit and or won't matter as they won't get ill (missing the point entirely). I have turned down loads of invites to stuff because I am not a selfish twat.

If people stuck it for a few weeks then we would get back to normal life quicker? Where have you been living this past year?

People have been sticking to it more than a couple of weeks. The schools have closed before remember? Essential shops and even take aways closed remember?
And are we any closer to normal fucking life?! Even with a vaccine now with a high efficiency rate?!

It's people like the OP who are sticking to the rules that's bringing the rates down. But I agree that we can only focus on what we are doing and can't control others. And yes they are making the situation worse for those who are following the rules and making this all last longer than it has to.

If it was May 2020 and you were saying this I may agree. Unfortunately it’s February 2021 and evidence suggests that is not the case.

@OppsUpsSide

On another thread when someone was screeching about 115,00 deaths, I replied with a graph from the PHE that it wasn't the case. Over a 5 month period, every month there was on average 30% of the Covid deaths (where its mentioned on the death certificate) where Covid wasnt an underlying cause of the death.

You were not screeched at, that poster very patiently tried to explain what Dr’s record on a death certificate, which you could find out yourself if you looked at the government guidance.
If anyone’s been screeching, it’s you.

I've looked thanks. On a positive Covid test, Covid will go on their death certificate despite not any actual evidence it has contributed to their death. That's why theres discrepancies been recorded!

Covid deniers here we go again. As soon as anyone makes it clear they are anti lockdown, were Covid deniers/Covidiots and the rest*

Being anti lockdown is a form of covid denial. It is denying that lockdowns work.

Lockdowns very obviously do work to control the spread of the virus

@shamalidacdak that's a very selfish remark

I think it's very selfish to expect the majority of all ages to suffer drastically in pretty much every aspect of their lives rather than shield a few minority who it will effect.
We have vaccines now, there is no need for shit sacrifice any longer.

As PP, 40% of cases are caught in the hospital nearly half, then thecatttlemarkets supermarkets...and people think that's its having a couple of family over for dinner that's causing the spread. Jeez Louise.

@Flaxmeadow

Covid deniers here we go again. As soon as anyone makes it clear they are anti lockdown, were Covid deniers/Covidiots and the rest*

Being anti lockdown is a form of covid denial. It is denying that lockdowns work.

Lockdowns very obviously do work to control the spread of the virus

Being "anti lockdown" isn't just being concerned with the spread of the virus though. It means being concerned about the effects of lockdown on education, jobs, mental health etc. Not everything is about covid! It doesn't mean you are a "covid denier"...

@Flaxmeadow

Covid deniers here we go again. As soon as anyone makes it clear they are anti lockdown, were Covid deniers/Covidiots and the rest*

Being anti lockdown is a form of covid denial. It is denying that lockdowns work.

Lockdowns very obviously do work to control the spread of the virus

I have never once stated that lockdowns dont work. Of course they slow the spread down, when you cut off society and people arent mixing at a wider scale, of course cases will go down.

Just like if you took alcohol off the shelves, there would be no alcohol related deaths. Or banned cigarettes or banned fatty foods. No obesity deaths or smoking related deaths.Or took cars off the road, there would be no drink driving and collision.

Lockdowns downs stop the spread of this virus with a 99.8% survival rate, but what they also do is cause redundancy, businesses to collapse, affect children's education, cause anxiety and mental health, lack of social interaction, people to lose homes, livelihoods. They are not sustainable! It's been a year now!
The cure is worse than the disease.

[quote sonnysunshine]@Pootle40 . "That's cause most infections are being caught in hospitals and care homes"

The stats are skewed as many infections caught in schools/with younger less vulnerable people are asymptomatic so not tested for and therefore not recorded.
Also in care homes and hospitals it is very hard to control infection whereas people being little dicks going to their mates house can be controlled (if they weren't selfish cunts).[/quote]
Yes but which of those do you think is leading to ICU and death predominantly? And they wonder why people are avoiding hospitals.

Wow derailed or what. Our resident scientist has given me a good chuckle tho!

OP I wholeheartedly agree with you, so feel free to rant.

I don't have any friends or family who are breaking breaking rules massively but as a Police Officer I am dealing with breaches daily and it is infuriating. I suppose I'm at least lucky in the respect that I get some satisfaction from issuing tickets to them in some situations.

Being anti lockdown is a form of covid denial. It is denying that lockdowns work.

Lockdowns very obviously do work to control the spread of the virus

I don’t see anyone flat out denying that lockdowns work. I see lots of people saying that lockdowns are no longer the right way to control the pandemic because they fail to balance the needs of people economically, socially and educationally.
Additionally, they don’t work perfectly. Let’s not forget that they aren’t always able to control the spread of the virus - the explosion of cases in Kent before the announcement of the new variant is strong evidence of that.

Why should we have lockdowns that cause so much collateral damage when they don’t work properly?

@nanbread I'm sorry you've had such awful responses on this thread! If everyone was socialising as you had detailed in your OP, we'd be in an even worse situation! I seriously can't believe the number of people on here justifying rule breakers. Yes I can't stand lockdown and am finding it tough with a toddler and a newborn, but the rules are there for a reason and as much as they depress me, I'm sticking to them! I got Covid in pregnancy and believe me I don't want it again! What gets to me too about these people who are constantly rule breaking is that they aren't thinking about transmitting it to others. Yes, they may not care if they get Covid, but what if they pass it on to someone who gets seriously ill with it?! Sigh.

Elderlytruthseeker that is possibly the most selfish post I've ever seen.

If it were up to me I definitely wouldn't choose to lose my home and livelihood to give you a few more years of life.

Sorry you're getting a denier pile on OP.
Sad the way some STILL don't understand the reasons for the restrictions and after all this time

@Desmondo2016

Wow derailed or what. Our resident scientist has given me a good chuckle tho!

OP I wholeheartedly agree with you, so feel free to rant.

I don't have any friends or family who are breaking breaking rules massively but as a Police Officer I am dealing with breaches daily and it is infuriating. I suppose I'm at least lucky in the respect that I get some satisfaction from issuing tickets to them in some situations.

If you get satisfaction from issuing fines for people to have a few people in their own home, or travelling 'non essentially' to a visit a family member, while nearly half of the spread is due to hospitals, then there is something seriously wrong with you.

I suppose you will get satisfaction from the 10 prison sentences for lying about travelling abroad all the while convicted child molesters, paedophiles and rapists don't get that sentence due to 'crowding in prisons'.
People like you honestly make me sick to my stomach. Were living in a nazi state for a virus that has a 99.8% survival rate, 9 in 10 deaths underlying health conditions and the mean of age is 80 years old.
Knocks me sick to what our world has came to.

People have stuck to the rules for a year now and because people are getting fed up and their mental health is suffering, they're selfish. For fuck sake.

@Flaxmeadow

Sorry you're getting a denier pile on OP. Sad the way some STILL don't understand the reasons for the restrictions and after all this time

😂