Predictions for boris's roadmap out of lockdown.

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I know no one has a crystal ball but what order do you think boris will open up and in what order when he sets out his roadmap?
I was thinking obviously schools first which I'm hoping in March followed in April by non essential shops then possibly hairdressers/ beauty salons in may along with pubs/ restaurants and possibly other entertainment venues june/July as long as the vaccine program keeps on track.

March 8th-reception, Y1, Y4, Y6, Y11/13 back at school.
Easter everyone else back at school, no masks, crammed classes.
Nothing else opens.

Cases go sky high and schools close again. Rinse and repeat.

I have lost hope, I realised today

I think they allow a few year groups for limited days, something like that, but than we’ll be headlong into the next mutant variant + realisation vaccinations don’t stop the spread or whatever + a brand new virus to follow soon.

There may be many years of this half-life ahead of us, entire generations of kids who have had years of patchy online learning.

I really really really hope I am wrong

But I just feel down and can’t actually see an end in sight

Am trying to come to terms with it and wishing I could join the optimists

Am not putting this out here to doom monger, but just so that people who feel the same know they are not alone (I remember a chat with a friend in March where we both said: this is massive. We’ll never go back to how things were. Could not have this chat on MN at the time for being accused of being a dementor)

March 8th just infants - R, 1 and 2 in. Maybe exam years part time. After Easter all in. No vaccines for teachers, no masks. Massive increase in virus and spread, and the news suddenly a lot more serious as it's under 50s that are ill and in the ICUs. Stagger through to summer, summer holidays mitigates spread for a while. Another lockdown in autumn.

All schools from March 8.

Meeting in rule of 6 March 8 and non essential shops

Everything open from end April.

Masks and SD til Sept or all offered vaccine .

I feel like it should be a bit more gradual as in changes weekly or every other week. So some school years back on 8th (R,1,12,13?) then some on 22nd (2,6,10,12?). Rule of 6 outside at this point too. Some opening over the Easter holidays while schools are off, maybe hairdressers and gyms and outdoor activities like zoos so that people have something to do in the holiday. Then a bit more school.

@ThenCatoJumpedOut

I have lost hope, I realised today

I think they allow a few year groups for limited days, something like that, but than we’ll be headlong into the next mutant variant + realisation vaccinations don’t stop the spread or whatever + a brand new virus to follow soon.

There may be many years of this half-life ahead of us, entire generations of kids who have had years of patchy online learning.

I really really really hope I am wrong

But I just feel down and can’t actually see an end in sight

Am trying to come to terms with it and wishing I could join the optimists

Am not putting this out here to doom monger, but just so that people who feel the same know they are not alone (I remember a chat with a friend in March where we both said: this is massive. We’ll never go back to how things were. Could not have this chat on MN at the time for being accused of being a dementor)

I feel the same

@Ahmnotacat

March 8th just infants - R, 1 and 2 in. Maybe exam years part time. After Easter all in. No vaccines for teachers, no masks. Massive increase in virus and spread, and the news suddenly a lot more serious as it's under 50s that are ill and in the ICUs. Stagger through to summer, summer holidays mitigates spread for a while. Another lockdown in autumn.

This is my worry.

Chuck all the kids and teachers back in.

Just look at the ONS graph today secondary kids have gone from most infected age group (schools open) to one of the least (lockdown). Opening schools fully would be a disaster in terms of community transmission in the under 50s.

@Howshouldibehave

March 8th-reception, Y1, Y4, Y6, Y11/13 back at school. Easter everyone else back at school, no masks, crammed classes. Nothing else opens.

Cases go sky high and schools close again. Rinse and repeat.

@Howshouldibehave have you got a Yr4 child? No-one else has picked that year?

What about Yr 2 it will be the last year at infant school and they will be moving to juinors? Why not Year3 or Year5? or Years 7,8, 9 10 and 12 for that matter?

Rota for all far preferable.

@Howshouldibehave have you got a Yr4 child? wink No-one else has picked that year?

Ha ha-no! Mine are all at secondary!

I just reckon having a couple of years in for both infant and junior schools, rather than infant schools full but the juniors empty would be sensible.

@jasjas1973 Don't worry, its inconceivable that a uk scheme will be up and running & recognised by other countries in the next 6 to 8 months

Politically, imagine saying to under 30s you can't go abroad but your parents can?

Well if your Dad's Stanley Johnson you'd be used to OAPs doing what the fuck they want regardless...

@sneakysnoopysniper

I do not believe for one minute that this government has a road map out of CV-19 lockdowns. Do you really think our crooked politicos are going to give up the power they have hoarded?

Sadly I agree @sneakysnoopysniper And now they know they can do it.....

@Howshouldibehave

March 8th-reception, Y1, Y4, Y6, Y11/13 back at school. Easter everyone else back at school, no masks, crammed classes. Nothing else opens.

Cases go sky high and schools close again. Rinse and repeat.

This.

Covid: Scientists call for debate on allowing 'big wave of infection'
mol.im/a/9254105

Oh they've already thought of it.

The best thing would be his resignation along with most of the rest of the cabinet. Sadly not going to happen.

Some schools will go back on March 8th, and pubs etc won't open after Easter at the earliest.

@Ahmnotacat

March 8th just infants - R, 1 and 2 in. Maybe exam years part time. After Easter all in. No vaccines for teachers, no masks. Massive increase in virus and spread, and the news suddenly a lot more serious as it's under 50s that are ill and in the ICUs. Stagger through to summer, summer holidays mitigates spread for a while. Another lockdown in autumn.

@Ahmnotacat it's so incredibly frustrating they could have been using this time to create ways to get all children back in part-time or at least some outdoor contact sessions but no its all or nothing from the Gov! This isn't going away so we have to find a smoother way to keep schools safer and open or give children some contact with their peers. They have part-time / rotas abroad - why not here?

According to Johnson schools were safe and told us to return our children to primary school on January 4th (when cases were as high as they have ever been) now cases are dropping and the most vulnerable 4 groups have received their first vaccination then how after almost 2 months of full lockdown could there not be a workable solution to give all children some time in school?

I don’t know how you carry on if you think we continue like this for years. Our society cannot function this way, people working and paying tax fund the NHS, police, other emergency services, pay benefits. If we carry on like this there will not be enough people working to fund the nhs, we’re truly done for then. People don’t like to say it but we’re trying to save the nhs not saving lives; it’s to spread the deaths out so the nhs isn’t overwhelmed.

@DonnaDonna01

I don’t know how you carry on if you think we continue like this for years. Our society cannot function this way, people working and paying tax fund the NHS, police, other emergency services, pay benefits. If we carry on like this there will not be enough people working to fund the nhs, we’re truly done for then. People don’t like to say it but we’re trying to save the nhs not saving lives; it’s to spread the deaths out so the nhs isn’t overwhelmed.

Well said

I'm hoping that all primary years are back on 8th March, along with selected secondary years and the rule of 6 outdoors. Timings are hard to predict after that, but in terms of order I think non essential shops and outdoor attractions first, followed by outdoor dining and pub gardens, then small scale indoor socialising and indoor dining (rule of six). I think there's a good chance UK summer holidays will go ahead but overseas holidays will be complicated, if not impossible.

I'd love holiday places to be open for Easter, it's 7 weeks away yet and the numbers are falling quite quickly now, it doesn't seem likely though, if they do wait until June then they'll have missed Easter and Whit week so there will only be the 6 weeks holidays left and everywhere will be heaving.

I think come hell or high water, somebody will go back to school on 8th March. The date has been too widely publicised for it to be missed entirely. I desperately, and selfishly want all primaries to go back, but I suspect it will be 'selected years' (not ours) and then something close to a full return after Easter.

Shops and cafes or no alcohol hospitality also around Easter, then everything else slowly afterwards. I think it's still a long way off until you can go to an 'event' or go for a drink inside with friends.

I think UK summer holidays will be fine. Abroad will likely be allowed, but so tied up in rules and restrictions it'll be pretty impossible to go...

@Monkeytennis97

March 8th- primary years R,1,2 and secondary years 11 and 13 or no secondary but all primary.

After Easter-all back in. Easter vaccinating school staff. No extra precautions (masks in secondary classrooms) because of U4T and Robert Halfon and the other Tories pushing from the back. Covid whips around schools again and goes back to unvaccinated parents pre 50.

I really hope people that aren’t happy being part of Johnson’s herd vote with their feet this time. The “schools are safe” has landed firmly on its face which should help.

We can't exist like this for years; the economy is on its knees as it is. I suspect there is a massive battle in Whitehall going on about the number of acceptable deaths versus the amount of economic pain we can cope with. Remember, the top 4 groups that represent 88% of Covid deaths will have received their first jab by March. So, pressure should reduce on the NHS, regardless. It's not about people catching it - it's about the number of people who will be dangerously I'll with it.

As an under-40s who may get it at some time in the autumn, I am willing to run the risk (with precautions such as masks/SD) in order to get my kids back to school. Having said that, I do think teachers need to be prioritized.

I think...schools in some shape and form will open up. Probably infants and exam years. Going on past performance, Johnson tends to do things two weeks are Sturgeon, so it will be then. This will be followed by outdoor attractions/zoos/other, then indoor activities. They will want us spending over the summer.

I can't see mass travel abroad really happening until 2022.

@DonnaDonna01

I don’t know how you carry on if you think we continue like this for years. Our society cannot function this way, people working and paying tax fund the NHS, police, other emergency services, pay benefits. If we carry on like this there will not be enough people working to fund the nhs, we’re truly done for then. People don’t like to say it but we’re trying to save the nhs not saving lives; it’s to spread the deaths out so the nhs isn’t overwhelmed.

You know I never thought of that! Taxes. 2 things certain in life as they say, death and taxes. With a lot of people on furlough, and redundancies, no tax. So when they're saying Save The NHS by lockdowns, they're taking money out of the same pot.

I wish you hadn't said anything cos now I have yet another reason to pissed off with this shower of shite.

It will be absolutely ridiculous if some years return to school on 8 March but the year 10s and 12s are not included.

@Howshouldibehave

March 8th-reception, Y1, Y4, Y6, Y11/13 back at school. Easter everyone else back at school, no masks, crammed classes. Nothing else opens.

Cases go sky high and schools close again. Rinse and repeat.

This. A rota system would be better.