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We cannot cancel life, to preserve every life

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Slytherin · 11/02/2021 20:20

I actually find myself agreeing with a Tory for once...we’ve given up so much and the goalposts keep moving, yes it’s an unpredictable situation, but it’s also unsustainable long term. The idea that this summer will be possibly worse than last summer makes zero sense, when we have a vaccine roll out that far exceeds any other nation (except Israel) currently.
First it was let’s get the elderly and vulnerable vaccinated, then it was let’s get the over 50s vaccinated, now we’ve got members of SAGE suggesting restrictions have to continue until everyone, including children are vaccinated and beyond, because of the possibility of new variants. Professor John Edmunds said some would have to stay “forever” last night on Peston.

We must at some point live with an element of risk. I’m in no way suggesting we lift lockdown yet, but suggesting that things won’t have much improved by the summer, is, in my opinion encroaching into dangerous territory.

The government were over promising before, now they’re under promising. There’s got to be a middle ground, people’s mental health cannot sustain this level of pessimism and not having a single thing to look forward to. Everything gets dangled like a carrot, then taken away at the last minute. It’s beyond cruel.

Then it’s the mixed messages, Matt Hancock telling us he’s going on a summer holiday to Cornwall and he’s all booked up and Grant Shapps then telling nobody to even consider booking a holiday abroad or domestically this summer.

Yes, I support restrictions to save lives and support the NHS, but I don’t support the way the government are handling this once again. And I don’t support these restrictions indefinitely, especially when the majority of the at risk groups have been vaccinated.

www.channel4.com/news/we-cannot-cancel-life-to-preserve-every-life-tory-mp-sir-charles-walker-on-lockdown?fbclid=IwAR2RnQNKwJoQ4FSBxT9oTbwbFOCTWcIU9wD9WdYkTEA2sVlJ1posWZAfmsU

OP posts:
tobee · 12/02/2021 07:36

*forum

StealthPolarBear · 12/02/2021 07:36

Yiure not worried about the impact on the economy?
Oh dear.

YukoandHiro · 12/02/2021 07:37

@tobee there will absolutely be a yearly jab, like flu but possibly passported so that anyone clinically eligible who refuses it doesn't have access to some commercial services. That's what I expect.

MagentaGiraffe · 12/02/2021 07:38

@tobee exactly. I was watching BBC news last night a Republican in the US told the reporter that tomorrow they would "present their own facts" regarding Trump. I wish it was possible to move to Mars.

walksen · 12/02/2021 07:39

"We do have evidence yes, that the rate of reinfections serious enough to result in tests confirming a positive result worldwide has been negligible"

Can you link to that? I've seen 90% protection for 6 months from reinfection (from actual infection). That doesn't seem negligible to me, given some predictions that immunity would wane over 6 to 12 months like cold coronaviruses. Reinfections in SA were common than that.

Bear in mind the government figures are first infections

StarCat2020 · 12/02/2021 07:39

One of the main issues I find is that the news headlines are all a lot of people hear.

For example, BBC just announced that police forces are getting an additional £60 MILLION to help them with enforcement.

Sounds great doesn't it??

Until you realise it works out to about £1 million per police force.

Jessiesmilkshake · 12/02/2021 07:40

[quote YukoandHiro]@tobee there will absolutely be a yearly jab, like flu but possibly passported so that anyone clinically eligible who refuses it doesn't have access to some commercial services. That's what I expect. [/quote]
Despite being repeatedly told by the government they had no plans to do such a thing Confused

tobee · 12/02/2021 07:40

[quote YukoandHiro]@tobee there will absolutely be a yearly jab, like flu but possibly passported so that anyone clinically eligible who refuses it doesn't have access to some commercial services. That's what I expect. [/quote]

I can see the first happening but not so sure about the second.

StealthPolarBear · 12/02/2021 07:41

The goverent are known for their u turns!

tobee · 12/02/2021 07:41

@walksen

"We do have evidence yes, that the rate of reinfections serious enough to result in tests confirming a positive result worldwide has been negligible"

Can you link to that? I've seen 90% protection for 6 months from reinfection (from actual infection). That doesn't seem negligible to me, given some predictions that immunity would wane over 6 to 12 months like cold coronaviruses. Reinfections in SA were common than that.

Bear in mind the government figures are first infections

Ironic that you're asking for a link there @walksen ! I thought such things weren't necessary?

StarCat2020 · 12/02/2021 07:43

Another thing is that without a crystal ball nothing is certain but people want certainty.

Nousernamesleftatall · 12/02/2021 07:46

I couldn’t agree with you more op. The mass hysteria has to stop. Countries that didn’t lockdown have the same curve.

walksen · 12/02/2021 07:47

tobee

I don't believe I ever said that that they weren't necessary, only that it was unreasonable to insist on it when it can't have been collected, and sometimes you have to proceed on the balance of probabilities. Perhaps you don't understand subtle arguments.

Ironic you are calling me out on irony though!

beela · 12/02/2021 07:48

I haven't rtft but I agree with op.

The goalposts keep moving and I'm not even sure what we are trying to achieve now.

I can cope with putting my life on pause but it's not OK to put my dc life on hold indefinitely.

MagentaGiraffe · 12/02/2021 07:49

Yep I can link it. 31 reinfections worldwide documented.

www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n99

NorbertMeubles · 12/02/2021 07:49

Completely agree with the OP

ivykaty44 · 12/02/2021 07:50

op as long as its you or your family thats sacrificed, then thats fine. If your agreeable for your loved ones or yourself to die and 100% confident that this will be ok with you then plunge right ahead

walksen · 12/02/2021 07:54

twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1358065355785134083?s=20
Vaccine trials in SA showed 30% of people in the placebo group had prior covid infection

It made no difference to symptomatic infection in that group.

MagentaGiraffe · 12/02/2021 07:55

MagentaGiraffe
@Hammonds i'm sorry but this is just nonsense. Smallpox is the only virus himankind has ever identified and eradicated from human populations. That was done with a vaccine. Rinduspest (Guinea worm) is close to eradication, as is polio. Also vaccines. No virus has ever been eradicated from the human population by "herd immunity" without mass vaccination.

You obviously know more that professor John Edward’s - advisory to the government

If you say so. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Please explain which part of my post you believe to be incorrect.

walksen · 12/02/2021 07:57

www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n124

And the siren study identified 40+ re infections in a study group of UK medics alone.

Reinfections are a lot higher than 31 worldwide I'm afraid.

Snog · 12/02/2021 07:57

I think that once groups 1-9 have been vaccinated 90% of restrictions should be lifted. Since at that point hospitalisations and deaths should be extremely low.

MagentaGiraffe · 12/02/2021 07:59

I'm so done with this now. Depressing. Have to get on with my day now though I'm afriad! Grin

Kintsugi16 · 12/02/2021 08:02

Lives are ending but no-one alive has their life on hold. Have you not heard the phrase about dancing in the rain?

I was hoping this pandemic would teach us all to be less selfish and entitled, to slow us down and appreciate the simple and important things in life.

Jessiesmilkshake · 12/02/2021 08:07

@Kintsugi16

Lives are ending but no-one alive has their life on hold. Have you not heard the phrase about dancing in the rain?

I was hoping this pandemic would teach us all to be less selfish and entitled, to slow us down and appreciate the simple and important things in life.

And I’d put money on it you have a stable income stream ...
mummyof4kids · 12/02/2021 08:08

A few days ago I commented on a thread and said I'd follow the rules until spring and I will but long term I don't think I will, they can't keep us locked up forever and the government keeping moving the goalposts isn't exactly going to make people comply.
The most at risk groups have been vaccinated/are getting vaccinated so what do we do once everyone's been vaccinated? Do we have to stay locked in our houses? Covid isn't going away, and the government are naive if they think they'll eradicate it completely.
They need to unlock the country slowly, not like last time and if the majority of people have had a vaccine we shouldn't see numbers sky rocket.
People will vote with their feet, literally if it goes on too long

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