Regret having vaccine

[Zem74]

Had my vaccine last week, govt classes me as CEV, consultant however said no need to shield as moderate risk, thought I’d be put in group 6 for vaccine rollout.
Got put in with group 4 and was unsure whether to have it or not, but after persuasion from family I did, now I feel full of regret like I’ve made a terrible mistake
I’ll get shot down on here for saying this, but I’ve since read things on social media and the internet that’s making me really panic about how safe this vaccine is/ whether it’s part of a sinister plan etc and I feel so scared that I’ve voluntarily just got myself jabbed with it without thinking it through enough
I’m a mother to young children and these worries are keeping me awake at night since

Keep off of social media!
There are as yet unanswered questions about efficacy against variants, prevention of transmission, etc. These will be answered in time. However, all experts agree on one thing, which is that the vaccines are very safe.

You’ve done the right thing by your children. Please stop worrying and don’t listen to rubbish put out there by unqualified anti-vaxxers.

None of you have any facts or are scientists. Neither am I . I don’t pretend to know it all but I’m also not blindly going into something like a robot. Don’t you think it’s odd that the government won’t pay out or rather has let the producers of the vaccine off having to pay out for a long term illness associated with the vaccine ? Not exactly instilling confidence that .

It’s safe OP, it wasn’t rushed, it was built on other long established vaccines.

If you’re worried about anything sinister, don’t. Our government still can’t implement a successful track and trace system when people have voluntarily downloaded an app! They certainly aren’t micro chipping people

You are CEV - you either take your chances with a virus that COULD kill you or a vaccine that has been proven to be safe. Give yourself a shake- you’ve done the right thing.

[quote Hubblebubble75]@DoubleTweenQueen of course we should - I’ve had all my immunisations and so have my kids - but not rushed out ones , ones that have gone through the regulated development process ( which can take 10 years plus)[/quote]
You know enough about vaccine development and approval to make these statements so could you explain to us why it can take '10 years plus' and what do you think has been missed with the covid vaccines?

I’d recommend reading the output from
Oxford AZ on their actual website. The reports will put to be any concerns over this vaccine being rushed...it’s explains in detail that their vaccine has been in progress for coronaviruses for the last 15 years. And highlights their use of existing vaccines that have been adapted rather than whole new ones rushed from scratch.

I imagine the reason as to why there is chatter in certain circles is because there are steps, which getting vaccines out have been missed to save as many lives as possible, which makes us mass guinea pigs. This cannot be denied. And getting a vaccine is a choice.

Can we stop with this now?

No steps were missed. Theo nly thing that was missed was the usual delay between stages, the time when further funding, permissions, participants have to be found before the testing can resume.

It is UTTERLY DENIABLE as it SIMPLY IS NOT TRUE!

Noboday has been a guinea pig!

What we are hearing about, being told is shocking, is the perfectly normal ongoing studies and research. It happens with every medical release. But this is being spun, at all levels, as though it is a scary proof of ill doing. Which is UTTER BOLLOCKS.

If I could reach everyone who repeats this shit and introduce them to a medical researcher I would. Make them sit and watch the interminable hours of painstaking data analysis, the checks and measures, the layers of internal and external oversight and then the MHRA process.

Trotting out such glib crap only highlights a lack of knowledge.

Threads like this do not help.
Is there a link saying how many people have died because they had the vaccine?!
I doubt it.
There’s probably a news report stating someone has died less than 24 hours after receiving it. It probably didnt state they’d either been an an RTA or died at another persons hands.
Get a grip!

@Hubblebubble75

None of you have any facts or are scientists. Neither am I . I don’t pretend to know it all but I’m also not blindly going into something like a robot. Don’t you think it’s odd that the government won’t pay out or rather has let the producers of the vaccine off having to pay out for a long term illness associated with the vaccine ? Not exactly instilling confidence that .

You don't know what you're on about but you are going to make claims anyway 🤦🏼‍♀️

@DoubleTweenQueen it takes 5 years minimum normally but can be as long as 15 years
Any way I’m going to come off here because it’s like a lynch mob, so sad can’t actually have a civilised discussion, so I go away with the same concerns I originally had

@bluebluezoo

Did you know Botox is a rat poison ?

It’s an everything poison. It’s BOtulinum TOXin. You know, the one that slowly paralyses you until you can’t breathe and die?

But it’s great if you suffer from serve migraines 🤣

It’s more terrifying signing the papers before you have surgery

some news reports that people who have had it are dying shortly after and that they are still in trial phase until 2023 Yes! ADDITIONAL tests and research.

You know, the stuff that is ongoing that will allow identfication of necesary 'tweaks', comparative analysis between age groups, efficacy with comorbidities and on and on and on and on.

ALL PERFECTLY FUCKING NORMAL!

Deaths soon after vaccination? Remember who is being vaccinated. THE MOST VULNERABLE in society!

@Hubblebubble75 I am a scientist, with 20+ yrs in Virology'and immunotherapeutics. What do you do?

@InterfectoremVulpes sorry and you do? Why are you more qualified then me ? If we can get a scientist on here I’ll have a listen

[quote Hubblebubble75]@TableFlowerss I and many many I know ( so many people are secretly not wanting the vaccine - I’ve asked so many and they admit it) so it’s good to debate it tbh . I’m open to be convinced . Shaming people with a different opinion and telling them not to post - sorry are we in a dictatorship now? I’d rather open it up to be convinced otherwise . Isn’t that better ? Isn’t it better for the many many people who have the same worries to read and be convinced too?[/quote]
As I’ve said - under normal circumstances and not during a pandemic then yes discussion and choice is key.

Right now, isnt the the time for discussion from anti vaxers. Certainly not on a public forum. They will always exist and always try to persuade people the negatives of a virus.

We haven’t got a few years to decide if we have it or not. People will die in the meantime.

What good is putting things on hold?

[quote Hubblebubble75]@TableFlowerss and surely you are believing what you are reading online too - or seeing on tv- how do you know that’s any more truthful than anything else online .[/quote]
Reading scientific studies is the research, the newspapers summarise the studies in a condensed way.
The vaccines are not using a live form and also research and the criteria has come on massively in 70 years since polio vaccination.

All medication has potential for side effects, honestly read the bit of paper that comes with Ibruprofen or paracetamol! So far the potential side effects of the vaccination are less than Ibruprofen! Reaction rate reporting is less than MMR as well.

Don’t you think it’s odd that the government won’t pay out or rather has let the producers of the vaccine off having to pay out for a long term illness associated with the vaccine ? Not exactly instilling confidence that And also not something that is new! A bit of googling will help...

Hubblebubble75

I’m not anti vaccine - I’m on the fence. The polio vaccine in the 50s caused paralysis in a proportion of people. It was a live vaccine , however, so there is a difference. The worry is how it’s been rushed out - which happened with the polio vaccine .
I don’t think people should be shot down on here for having doubts or different views- it is a bleeding democracy ! We can have a debate without being rude and slating people“

The vaccine has not been rushed. It has been expedited, which is very different. There was an excellent interview with Kate Bingham on radio 4 several weeks ago. Wish I could recall which programme because she explained the process so clearly that we’d all benefit from hearing it.
Basically, the only stages that have been missed out are the huge gaps that usually fall between the different stages. In normal times, these gaps are caused by lack of funding, collaboration and political will. All of these things have been available in abundance with Covid vaccines so the gaps just weren’t necessary.
These vaccines have in no way, shape or form been rushed.

Yeah, a really sinister plan to keep you alive

[quote Hubblebubble75]@DoubleTweenQueen it takes 5 years minimum normally but can be as long as 15 years
Any way I’m going to come off here because it’s like a lynch mob, so sad can’t actually have a civilised discussion, so I go away with the same concerns I originally had[/quote]
Translation

People want me to defend my position, but I can't because I haven't got a clue what I'm on about, I just read it on Facebook and it sounded kind of right

[quote DoubleTweenQueen]@Hubblebubble75 I am a scientist, with 20+ yrs in Virology'and immunotherapeutics. What do you do?[/quote]
@do
I’m not sure I really believe this but anyway
So can you answer why a normal trial would take 5 plus years and why this was done in about 18 months and how it could have gone through all the necessary steps in that time ?
Also , can you reassure me it’s safe with some science based evidence ?
Also , to my previous question - why can’t we go back and claim if we get long lasting side effects ?
Thanks

@Hubblebubble75

I’m not anti vaccine - I’m on the fence. The polio vaccine in the 50s caused paralysis in a proportion of people. It was a live vaccine , however, so there is a difference. The worry is how it’s been rushed out - which happened with the polio vaccine . I don’t think people should be shot down on here for having doubts or different views- it is a bleeding democracy ! We can have a debate without being rude and slating people

Unfortunately now with social media and just anyone can post anything on the internet and claim its a fact, the fact that facts are now debatable is making any sort of debate just not useful. It isnt helping democracy, its actually eroding democracy. Most people who are having doubts or have seen 'different views' are seeing them in emotive or propagandist ways from people activlty sowing mistrust. Or companies like fb and other social media who will suggest articles or 'news' that already agrees with that ir line of thinking is becuase they know the more u read or spend on their platform the more they make from advertising. Its completely changed the dynamics of a democracy

[quote Hubblebubble75]@InterfectoremVulpes sorry and you do? Why are you more qualified then me ? If we can get a scientist on here I’ll have a listen[/quote]
Yes, it blatantly obvious that I do. But then again I dont get my facts from Facebook.

Not even going to get into your assumption that scientists don't post on here.

[quote Hubblebubble75]@InterfectoremVulpes sorry and you do? Why are you more qualified then me ? If we can get a scientist on here I’ll have a listen[/quote]
I think you might want to read the post immediately above this

And my education includes some epidemiology, amongst all the physiology and biology. I've done a fair few research studies that needed to go through Ethics, were health based. Many other posters have similar or more knowledge than me. Some are even, like @DoubleTweenQueen, bloody experts

So can you answer why a normal trial would take 5 plus years and why this was done in about 18 months and how it could have gone through all the necessary steps in that time ?

Do you not know, after all you are the one claiming its been rushed so you would know the processes?