10 million people vaccinated already - brilliant!

[buttery81]

This is a continuation of the previous thread, www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4145954-6-3-million-people-vaccinated-already-brilliant

This thread is intended as a positive place to observe our remarkable vaccine rollout as it progresses and to celebrate the ever increasing numbers as we go.

Polite notice: conspiracy theorists, doommongers and those looking for endless debate over vaccine efficacy, leave vs remain and one-legged trousers - this is probably not the thread for you.

So, to pick up from where we left off... a truly tremendous 10,021,471 people in the UK have now received their first dose of the vaccine - that’s 18.9% (or 1 in every 5.3) of all UK adults.

There’s no doubt about it - there is an unmistakable light at the end of this long, long tunnel and every day it’s getting brighter. Come on folks - let’s do this!!

@buttery81

Also, deaths were at 678 (a big drop since yesterday?) and new cases 13,494.

I wouldn't compare it with yesterday's data because of the effect of reporting delays after each weekend. It is a 30% fall week on week though so still great progress.

Thanks for clarifying Mumoftwo. Great to see those falls every day!

Over 14M already WOW 👏👏👏👏

I’m predicting a cool 14 million for tomorrow.

That would be wonderful!

I still can’t believe that over 25% of adults have now had their first jab. Mind blowing!

And that doesn't count today's

Thank you Mumoftwo. Brilliant to see those big drops since last week

Yep 14 million first doses for tomorrow here we come

My mum had her jab today. I can't really explain what a big deal this is. The system is a shining example of efficiency and an absolute credit to all involved, not least staff and even more incredible, volunteers.

What a fucking army of angels.

Dh had his first vaccination on Monday and I had these unexpected overwhelming feelings of relief and gratitude. He isn't cev or elderly so I can't imagine the relief people feel when their family members are in these categories.

It's hard to express this out loud as I have a lot of friends in countries that won't be vaccinated for at least a year or more and it must be so hard for them to see other countries vaccinating at such speed.

While it’s great to see the number of first vaccines rising so fast I do worry that we are ignoring the issue of second vaccines.

There is still no evidence that the 12 week gap for the Pfizer provides ANY long term immunity at all. In fact we risk creating a vaccine resistant strain with so many people half vaccinated.

Plus the non-evidenced based 12 week gap isn’t even been stuck to. I’m in group 2, I had the first dose of Pfizer, my second is booked for 15 weeks after the first. Many of my colleagues have theirs booked for 16-17 weeks after the first.

What happens if we find all all those vaccines are now ineffective and we wasted time giving a pointless first vaccine? Do we start again?

Dh has his second booked with a just under 10 week gap, it does seem to vary, doesn't it?

@Quornflakegirl

Dh has his second booked with a just under 10 week gap, it does seem to vary, doesn't it?

It does.

The BMJ have likened the U.K. to being a living laboratory right now by adjusting the dosing schedule with no evidence to support this and against the recommendations of the manufacturer and the WHO. It’s very worrying.

@Madwife123

While it’s great to see the number of first vaccines rising so fast I do worry that we are ignoring the issue of second vaccines.

There is still no evidence that the 12 week gap for the Pfizer provides ANY long term immunity at all. In fact we risk creating a vaccine resistant strain with so many people half vaccinated.

Plus the non-evidenced based 12 week gap isn’t even been stuck to. I’m in group 2, I had the first dose of Pfizer, my second is booked for 15 weeks after the first. Many of my colleagues have theirs booked for 16-17 weeks after the first.

What happens if we find all all those vaccines are now ineffective and we wasted time giving a pointless first vaccine? Do we start again?

The data from the latest research on Pfizer done in the UK will be out soon. This is what they have found using the 12 week gap:

Just one Pfizer jab gives 64-65 per cent protection. Two boosts it to about 84.

The Oxford vaccine is expected to be similar and — despite self-interested smears from Brussels — across all age groups.

Remember, this is against MILD illness. The jabs’ success in preventing severe cases or even death will be higher still.

Indeed the PHE data already seems to show hospitalisations of OAPs plunging thanks to their jabs. That is wonderful news for them — and for Britain’s hopes of a rapid return to near-normality.

These jabs are FAR more effective than a flu shot, which hits 50 per cent protection at best and is often far lower.

And the results, Britain’s first since the clinical trials, utterly vindicate the Government delaying the second dose to inoculate as many people as possible.

Thank you Truely I think I love you a little bit.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum I will be pleased to see this research as the medical opinion currently is very different. This decision might pay off it might not. But no-one can deny the very questionable ethics of consenting people to a vaccine based on the recommended schedule and then after giving them the first vaccine, changing that schedule to one that has not been consented to and therefore by default making them a participant in a trial that they did not consent to. If this doesn’t work than the potential consequences are huge.

I think half the trouble is Pfizer have chosen not to publicly state the results of the 6 week gap trial they did at the same time as the 3 week trial. The 6 week was a smaller group of people but the outcome showed good results. However in order to fasten their approval and get to market quicker they went with 3 weeks. The longer gap would have required redoing as a larger trial.

What pur UK scientists did was see the 6 week results and knowing how a longer gap makes AZ work even better calculate the same for Pfizer. It is a scientific calculation not evidence though. However the your immune system doesn't just suddenly stop working if the hap is too long. So a good call.

Add to that the whole vaccinating more people argument and it is a no brainer

[quote Madwife123]@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum I will be pleased to see this research as the medical opinion currently is very different. This decision might pay off it might not. But no-one can deny the very questionable ethics of consenting people to a vaccine based on the recommended schedule and then after giving them the first vaccine, changing that schedule to one that has not been consented to and therefore by default making them a participant in a trial that they did not consent to. If this doesn’t work than the potential consequences are huge.[/quote]
Oh I agree with you about consent.

They should have given everyone who had their first dose before the 1st January there second dose. It is a trust issue.

My mother inlaw got her second because GP insisted on doing this

However someone may now have dead because of his decision. So I am very glad I don't get to make those choices.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

I think half the trouble is Pfizer have chosen not to publicly state the results of the 6 week gap trial they did at the same time as the 3 week trial. The 6 week was a smaller group of people but the outcome showed good results. However in order to fasten their approval and get to market quicker they went with 3 weeks. The longer gap would have required redoing as a larger trial.

What pur UK scientists did was see the 6 week results and knowing how a longer gap makes AZ work even better calculate the same for Pfizer. It is a scientific calculation not evidence though. However the your immune system doesn't just suddenly stop working if the hap is too long. So a good call.

Add to that the whole vaccinating more people argument and it is a no brainer

AZ and Pfizer are 2 very different vaccines however so you can’t assume what works for one works for the other.

Vaccinating more people is only a no brainer if you don’t end up with millions of people that have ineffective vaccines who need re-vaccinating or accidentally create a vaccine resistant strain.

I just hope the very big gamble pays off.

blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/05/covid-19-vaccines-to-delay-or-not-to-delay-second-doses/

These are published every day at 6pm by the Spectator they refer to the previous day

@yellowspanner

These are published every day at 6pm by the Spectator they refer to the previous day

Hi I think that shows vaccinations given over all. So first and second doses. We are using this thread to mostly just count first doses at the moment. The reasoning being first doses will give the person some protection after 2 to 3 weeks.

Madwife123

You going to love the new data once it is officially released. It is cracking

@yellowspanner

Over 14M already WOW 👏👏👏👏

Including second doses, first doses figure is 13,509,108.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

Madwife123

You going to love the new data once it is officially released. It is cracking

Based on what, a cut and paste from the Sun newspaper?

I think we need to see the actual data, including confidence intervals etc. It may well be 'cracking', but I wouldn't trust anything reported in that shitrag. And why is PHE data being leaked to the Sun of all places? People were (quite rightly) critical of the FT for publishing the AstraZeneca South Africa story without people being able to access the data or read the study, so surely the same criteria/criticism should be equally applied to the Sun?
www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-sun-exclusive-reporting-on-efficacy-of-single-dose-of-the-covid-19-vaccines/

Why don't we just wait a weekor two before we fill in the known unknowns with horror stories?

True

The wrong thread for this discussion anyway