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Forcing vaccination

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Peaceiseveryrhing · 31/01/2021 20:39

Just read this on the Beeb

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55718553

Personally, I think it's outrageous that employees may insist on vaccination and airlines preventing travel.

A communistic approach! Angry

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IDKNABYBIF22 · 31/01/2021 22:13

You are jumping to conclusions a bit OP. The article says it will be hard for companies to legally require their employees and customers to prove that they have had a vaccine.

I had my covid vaccine a few weeks ago, I was a little bit nervous about it, but no vaccine has ever been proved to have long term side effects as far as I know, and tbh at this point I would accept the risk of long term side effects if it meant life would get back to normal. One of my colleagues has decided not to have it because of worries over the potential long term side effects, but smokes 10 fags a day. That's a head scratcher for me!

ellyeth · 31/01/2021 22:13

My view is, not allowing people to access all or some facilities is, in effect, forcing people to be vaccinated, otherwise they are completely cut off from ordinary society. And what happens if ALL or most employers demand their employees be vaccinated, that is definitely forcing them.

cardibach · 31/01/2021 22:13

@lightand

Read it somewhere *@cardibach*. Will try and find it. I notice you do not seem to be doubting the 8-10 year research part of what I said.
We’ve dealt with why the research phase was shorter already.
cardibach · 31/01/2021 22:14

@ellyeth

My view is, not allowing people to access all or some facilities is, in effect, forcing people to be vaccinated, otherwise they are completely cut off from ordinary society. And what happens if ALL or most employers demand their employees be vaccinated, that is definitely forcing them.
No, it’s still not. You pays your money and you takes your choice.
Peaceiseveryrhing · 31/01/2021 22:16

@IDKNABYBIF22

You are jumping to conclusions a bit OP. The article says it will be hard for companies to legally require their employees and customers to prove that they have had a vaccine.

I had my covid vaccine a few weeks ago, I was a little bit nervous about it, but no vaccine has ever been proved to have long term side effects as far as I know, and tbh at this point I would accept the risk of long term side effects if it meant life would get back to normal. One of my colleagues has decided not to have it because of worries over the potential long term side effects, but smokes 10 fags a day. That's a head scratcher for me!

And I know people that are keen to take the vaccine but won't drink diets coke!
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AlternativePerspective · 31/01/2021 22:16

Why is this thread still here?

I thought all this kind of goadie anti vax shite was supposed to be being removed all over the web.

SnackSizeRaisin · 31/01/2021 22:17

The main thing that isn't known about the vaccine due to its short testing period is how long it lasts for. However it would be impossible to test that in a situation where it is widespread in the community anyway, as vaccinated people would be regularly exposed to the virus which would probably have natural boosting effect. Other than that, the vast vast majority of vaccine side effects occur within 24 hours of injection. A smaller number occur within a few weeks. Very rare side effects are never discovered until after a vaccine is licensed and used in large numbers of people. That applies even where vaccines have been through the normal protracted testing process. So unless you refuse to have any new drug or vaccine until it's licensed for about 10 years, the same thing applies. There is nothing different about covid vaccines.

Peaceiseveryrhing · 31/01/2021 22:17

@ellyeth

My view is, not allowing people to access all or some facilities is, in effect, forcing people to be vaccinated, otherwise they are completely cut off from ordinary society. And what happens if ALL or most employers demand their employees be vaccinated, that is definitely forcing them.
Exactly why I created this thread.

We've all witnessed the hostility between Brexit remain / stay. It's still going on now. I fear the same will happen between those that vaccinate and those that don't

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Peaceiseveryrhing · 31/01/2021 22:18

@AlternativePerspective

Why is this thread still here?

I thought all this kind of goadie anti vax shite was supposed to be being removed all over the web.

You mean you want to curtail the right of discussion?
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LadyMayoGoodway · 31/01/2021 22:19

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Haiyaa · 31/01/2021 22:19

@Peaceiseveryrhing

Nobody knows what the long term effects of these vaccines are. And that's fact! No other vaccine in the history of mankind has been rushed out the door without long term testing.

Ummmm no, I suggest you check yourself on that one. After several failed attempts with polio vaccines, the first successful trial of IPV was completed in the span of a year before being approved. And it was tested on children. Do you think that a product/vaccine that takes 15 years to get to market starts collecting clinical data on day one and then has a follow up 15 years later before being approved? Bless your heart. The vast majority of the time taken to get a drug to market is red tape, applications for funding and general bureaucracy. A HUGE factor is money, take vaccines for malaria and Ebola. They affect poorer countries almost exclusively so “Big Pharma” isn’t going to be making the big bucks even though from a public health point of view it would be an incredible achievement and completely change millions of lives. So they get scraps of funding and resource until eventually they can go ahead with the trials. Covid however does not discriminate and there is money to be made simply from the sheer volume of people to be vaccinated not to mention governments and private donors pumping money and basically throwing the kitchen sink at it. That means everything can be done almost instantaneously.

It is also a fact any new drug on the market is said to be in Phase 4 clinical trials. This is when we all essentially become participants in the trial if we take said drug and any adverse effects are monitored through agencies such as the MHRA then collated into longer term affects down the line.

Here is a to show how the Oxford vaccine in particular managed to be developed in record time. It’s cute and animated, you’ll love it.

Of course, if you've invented a time machine and can zip 10,15 years into the future to check, please do let me know.

Don’t be salty. I imagine if we all took the same anti vaxx stance as you, then in 10-15 years we will be living in a sort of post apocalyptic Mad Max era due to a rampant disease, destruction of global economies and complete disregard for anyone but ourselves. But I always have had an active imagination...

Peaceiseveryrhing · 31/01/2021 22:20

@LadyMayoGoodway

Uneducated? Pot, kettle. Being polite your original post shows you lack critical thinking and haven’t traveled very widely.

Being honest you’re most likely absolutely thick as shit OP.

So many assumptions..... so many wrong assumptions. And heh, at least I don't have to resort to expletives. Sad.
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IDKNABYBIF22 · 31/01/2021 22:21

@Peaceiseveryrhing

And I know people that are keen to take the vaccine but won't drink diets coke!

Lol. I don't drink diet coke. My dad is a chemical scientist and didn't let me drink it when I was younger because of the theory that aspartame can have a damaging effect on your nervous system and increase the risk of dementia and strokes. Plus it tastes foul Grin.

SnackSizeRaisin · 31/01/2021 22:21

And I know people that are keen to take the vaccine but won't drink diets coke!

Eh? Diet coke is bad for your health, a covid vaccine is good for your health, so why would that be strange? Do you think having vaccines is unhealthy in the same way as drinking artificial sweeteners? I think we may have uncovered the source of your anti vaccine beliefs.

Hammonds · 31/01/2021 22:21

Tbh I’m more shocked that Tony Blair is still allowed to have a mouth piece! What ever he ‘suggests’ people do - we need to do the opposite! He is a proven liar and a war criminal and should be in prison.

VenusTiger · 31/01/2021 22:21

@DumplingsAndStew what on earth has that list go to do with pumping a foreign substance into your veins?????

SavannahMiasMum · 31/01/2021 22:22

Vaccines will not stop the virus.
The history of all vaccines proves this and even worse for viruses compared to other diseases.

Anyone thinking it will all be good by this time next year will have a big shock

vodkaredbullgirl · 31/01/2021 22:22

Diet coke or any coke is horrible.

lightand · 31/01/2021 22:23

@cardibach I am talking about research going forward, not going back.

Hammonds · 31/01/2021 22:24

@vodkaredbullgirl

Diet coke or any coke is horrible.
Yeah I agree!
upthekyber · 31/01/2021 22:24

@VenusTiger

It makes me sad and angry that so many people on this platform will simply bend over and take whatever is coming. It is coercion plain and simple. No jab no fly, no jab no cinema: no jab no life. That is disturbing. So many ppl DO NOT NEED a vaccine against a SARs virus - if elderly and vulnerable want to have it to reduce symptoms then that's fine, if young and healthy want to have it for similar reasons, that's fine, but transmission is still possible, so to quote Whitty in March, 'the majority of us won't catch Covid, the majority who do will suffer mild symptoms'. Vaccinate the vulnerable that's it. If we carry on like this, we'll have no immune system left to speak of, T-cell immunity is your best friend.

It is legally impossible to 'force' a medical procedure, which is what a vaccine is. It is against human rights to coerce and threaten those who simply do not need a vaccine, whether it's flu, or SARs-Cov-2 which are both serious illnesses to vulnerable and elderly. I can't believe so many ppl are willing to shove a vaccine into their precious children, when the studies all conclusively say, young and healthy are not at risk.
I've quoted this so many times now: March to Nov 2020 377 people under the age of 65yrs with no underlying health conditions sadly died with Covid.

I will be sure to tell my dead 43 year old relative and my friends dad aged 59, neither with underlying health conditions. oh and all the doctors, nurses, bus drivers, and shop worker that interesting "fact" instead of quoting Katie Hopkins do some bloody proper research then people might take you seriously.
HibernatingTill2030 · 31/01/2021 22:25

@SavannahMiasMum

Vaccines will not stop the virus. The history of all vaccines proves this and even worse for viruses compared to other diseases.

Anyone thinking it will all be good by this time next year will have a big shock

Measles is a virus and the vaccine is very effective.
VenusTiger · 31/01/2021 22:25

@Peaceiseveryrhing I take it you saw my post on page 3 - I'm losing hope with people - I despair!
One of the vaccines was tested on animals, and when the animal came into contact with the virus, the animal died.
Whatever studies people want to read and whatever choices people want to make, should not be up to anyone else - we know fact that people have died 'with Covid' after having had the vaccine - I can't believe how many people don't know this stuff, it's unbelievable really.
I'll say it again, vaccinate the vulnerable and elderly as transmission is still possible with the vaccine.

CharlotteRose90 · 31/01/2021 22:26

I saw this before and I think it’s right. My whole family are either vaccinated or have appointments to be. I also work for an airline and we have every right to ban people from travelling . You will have to show the card you get when you receive the vaccine. If people don’t want it fine but the Liberty’s are taken away and one includes travelling by airplane.