Forcing vaccination

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Just read this on the Beeb

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55718553

Personally, I think it's outrageous that employees may insist on vaccination and airlines preventing travel.

A communistic approach!

TrufflyPig

Whether or not I’m a dickhead isn’t the issue. This is about the law, and what we can legally require of others, not what we hope for from others.

@AStudyinPink

The company will have a few problems though when they are on the receiving end of personal injury and Equalities Act claims.

Yep. The first person to become seriously ill as a result of a vaccine (even a vaccine that is overwhelmingly considered safe and effective) will sue the shit out of them. Because the company, by virtue of its insistence that they have a vaccine they wouldn’t otherwise have had, will be taking that responsibility on itself.

No. All the governments have indemnified the vaccines companies against any adverse vaccine reactions causing injury, death or long term health conditions. Anyone suffering an adverse reaction would file for compensation via the relevant government agency.

Another anti-vaxxer selfish tit.

@Graciebobcat
Basically unless governments around the world make vaccination mandatory (which they won't because of the potential personal injury claims)

While the U.K. has a history of not mandating vaccines, other countries do mandate vaccines. The US is a good example of this. Most childhood vaccines are in fact mandatory for childcare or school unless the child cannot have it for medical reason. Your child must be home care and home schooled if chosen to be not vaccinated. There may be an exemption depending on the US State. Some states allow exemptions based on religion for example.

The US a compensation fund that people or their relatives who have been injured or killed by vaccines can seek compensation from the government for.

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@Graciebobcat
Basically unless governments around the world make vaccination mandatory (which they won't because of the potential personal injury claims)

While the U.K. has a history of not mandating vaccines, other countries do mandate vaccines. The US is a good example of this. Most childhood vaccines are in fact mandatory for childcare or school unless the child cannot have it for medical reason. Your child must be home care and home schooled if chosen to be not vaccinated. There may be an exemption depending on the US State. Some states allow exemptions based on religion for example.

The US a compensation fund that people or their relatives who have been injured or killed by vaccines can seek compensation from the government for.[/quote]
This. Many countries have mandatory vaccines, and many like India do NOT allow exemptions for religion. It's how millions were saved from polio.

No. All the governments have indemnified the vaccines companies against any adverse vaccine reactions causing injury, death or long term health conditions. Anyone suffering an adverse reaction would file for compensation via the relevant government agency.

Not the vaccine companies (they don’t guarantee the vaccines are safe). I am talking about a business that makes vaccinations a condition of employment.

AStudyinPink

Noone is legally compelling you to get vaccinated. Private businesses may or not set the terms expected of their client base. Countries may set conditions of entry. Its nothing new and not illegal.

God, I am fed up with people defending their "right" to refuse the vaccine, and to be able to travel freely, access all services, etc. If you don't want to be vaccinated, fine, but you'll have to accept a lot of restrictions until we really do have herd immunity.

There’s also a UK fund that does the same thing

Pfizer’s jab has been added to the list, as the company successfully managed to persuade the government to offer it immunity from legal action for any vaccine damage from their jab.

@Bloodybridget

God, I am fed up with people defending their "right" to refuse the vaccine, and to be able to travel freely, access all services, etc. If you don't want to be vaccinated, fine, but you'll have to accept a lot of restrictions until we really do have herd immunity.

So where are you drawing the line here?

Just Covid?
MMR?
Varicella?

Your argument seems sound enough on the surface, but surely you can see that when you think it through, it quickly leads to a type of state overreach into the private lives of the individual that nobody can be comfortable with.

It's not being forced. If you don't want to have the vaccine then don't- you just have to adjust your life so you aren't risking the lives of others by potentially spreading the disease about. The same should go for schools (not so much for COVID but for other vaccines)- vaccinate your children or home school them. Obviously valid medical exemptions are fine. But waffling on about MTHR mutations, fetal cells, autism etc is not valid.

@TrufflyPig

AStudyinPink

Noone is legally compelling you to get vaccinated. Private businesses may or not set the terms expected of their client base. Countries may set conditions of entry. Its nothing new and not illegal.

No, they can’t.

Businesses cannot legally discriminate on the grounds of disability, or religion, both of which are at play here.

@Zippy1510

It's not being forced. If you don't want to have the vaccine then don't- you just have to adjust your life so you aren't risking the lives of others by potentially spreading the disease about. The same should go for schools (not so much for COVID but for other vaccines)- vaccinate your children or home school them. Obviously valid medical exemptions are fine. But waffling on about MTHR mutations, fetal cells, autism etc is not valid.

The vaccines won’t stop you spreading the virus!

I agree with requiring it for travel, at least for flying, ships and Eurostar. There needs to be a simple way of proof, and much as I disagree with a lot of what Tony Blair has done, his suggestion is sensible.

For employment, I think that there needs to be evidence that a person cannot be working from home and/or work isolated from others. Far too many people are being asked to be in offices who could work from home most of the time. I passed an estate agent today where there were three people in the office, albeit socially distancing, but doubt that all needed to be there.

Well plenty of Australians, Americans and Indians are pretty comfortable with it, they all have mandatory vaccinations and their counties are still pretty full last time I looked 😂

@LadyMayoGoodway

Well plenty of Australians, Americans and Indians are pretty comfortable with it, they all have mandatory vaccinations and their counties are still pretty full last time I looked 😂

Oh good, a race to the bottom!

I am Ecv and I am going to have the injection but that is my choice and my choice alone .I want desperately to get back to work, I am in a high risk job and I want to get back to normal .But that doesn't give me the right to insist that everyone who doesn't want the jab has it , I don't have that right nor does anyone else. Find it sad really that the Country is almost divided into those who will and those who won't with each group arguing with each other who is right.

No @GreenWillow they don’t know that YET.

If you don't want to have the vaccine then don't- you just have to adjust your life so you aren't risking the lives of others by potentially spreading the disease about.

This is what you think should happen, but isn’t the law.

is legally compelling you to get vaccinated. Private businesses may or not set the terms expected of their client base

We’ll see. Because my understanding is that they might well be breaking the law.

Only in the UK would they have 100,000 deaths and call Australia's COVID success a "race to the bottom". :)

@LadyMayoGoodway

No *@GreenWillow* they don’t know that YET.

Yes, that’s my point.

We have to go with the current scientific thinking.

Which is that it has not been shown to provide sterilising immunity.

There are mutterings in the scientific community that the current vaccines might even exacerbate the issue as they will lead to greater asymptomatic community transmission.

@LadyMayoGoodway

No *@GreenWillow* they don’t know that YET.

Does anybody else have the scene from High Fidelity where they discuss what "I haven't slept with him......yet" might mean playing in their head. Just me?

In all seriousness it bears often repeating though that yet is hugely significant in discussion about the vaccine efficacy and impact on transmission.

cannot legally discriminate on the grounds of disability, or religion

Refusing to vaccinate is neither of these things. You are reaching pretty far there.