Forcing vaccination

[Peaceiseveryrhing]

Just read this on the Beeb

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55718553

Personally, I think it's outrageous that employees may insist on vaccination and airlines preventing travel.

A communistic approach!

Yes! Censor any opposing views until all you read are the comments similar to your thinking! removing inaccurate, scaremongering, conspiracy rubbish which has 0 medical proof isn’t sensorship.

My worry with this is that people who are genuinely not able to have the vaccine for medical reasons would no longer be about to participate fully in society, which is akin to disability discrimination.

I do think though people who choose not to have the vaccine because 'they don't want to' (a specific group mentioned in the above article) have made their choice. It is not fair that a choice not to have a vaccine would cause those that genuinely can't have it to continue living a limited life.

I have applied for jobs where e.g. people are not employed if their social media contains references to e.g. being animal rights protesters etc.

If I were an employer I would include antivaxx in my reasons for not employing someone, and the types who are antivaxx are too full of it to keep their views to themselves and not plaster them all over social media. And yes, an employer can demand access to your social media as part of your pre-screening etc.

People seemto be either in 1 of 2 camos.

Camp 1_ vaccinations are being forced upon us= something dodgy is going on....evil state. The public are deluded idiots.

Camp 2- anti vaxxers are deluded idiots and dangerous and the vaccine is completely safe and the ONLY way to return to normal.

They clearly don't teach critical thinking in school. I anyone actually weighing up the risk versus benefit and coming up with pros and cons? I didnt read the whole thread as so much mud slinging.

Camps*

@Baycob
If we can’t stop our hospitals being overwhelmed then we can’t open up society because too many people will end up in hospital. The rhetoric in the media has been centred around saving lives because it’s emotive and because people won’t just die of COVID they might die in an RTA because there are no beds in the ICU.

So vaccinate those in vulnerable categories (elderly, health conditions related to organs, obesity) because they are the ones that are hospitalised when they get covid19. That will prevent the NHS being overwhelmed.

There’s not really a point in vaccinating the vast majority of healthy adults because the vaccines do not prevent transmission. Healthy adults don’t usually end up in hospital if they get a virus.

MN - we are in a pandemic. We don't need anti Vaxer's being given a platform.

I am capable of deciding things for myself. I don’t need anyone to decide what information I am permitted to be exposed to.

Can people stop saying “the vaccines don’t prevent transmission.”? This is not true. Whether they prevent transmission is as yet unknown as not enough people have had the vaccine yet to be sure, although it is widely believed that the vaccine will prevent transmission, but they can’t say that for certain because if they do then that will be jumped on.

Stirrer. Happy to be a communist if that means airlines asking for vaccination certificates so I can visit my family overseas and not die in the process.

Look what happened at Disneyland where an unvaccinated American women resulted in smallpox

Your point would be better made if it had facts in it.

Measles. Not smallpox. Nobody has had wild smallpox linked to Disneyland, especially since 1972 or so.

I don't know if anyone ever figured out who (whether it was a woman or child or their history or even a family group or many family groups...) was the source of the big 2014/15 measles outbreak linked to Disneyland Anaheim. 2019 visit by a NZ teenager with measles didn't lead to another big outbreak.

Other countries are free to make their own rules regarding entry requirements.
And it's not new. Yellow fever vaccinations are needed for some countries, for example.

You have a choice not to have the vaccination.
However, this may have consequences.
But it's your choice.
Travel to other countries is not a right.

When I worked in a prison I was expected to have certain vaccinations beforehand. I could have said no and chosen a different job to apply for. My choice,

And yes, most of these systems will have exemptions for those who,genuinely can't have them.

However entry to other countries - well that depends on what that country says. We don't get to control what another country decides. We

@NicolasCage

I think until it's PROVEN that vaccines stop transmission then it should be a personal choice. A healthy 20 or 30 year old has exactly the same chance of dying (or suffering long-term) from covid as it has from getting the serious allergic reaction to vaccine, so it should be left to people to decide which risk they prefer. And before you start with your 'I want everyone vaccinated to protect me', think if you're willing to stop driving the car, because you pose a risk to others. At the end of the day it's not essential is it? I'm scared of dying in an accident so I think you should all stop driving to protect ME.

I agree! I don’t want to take the risk of suffering from an allergic reaction from this vaccine, especially as the vaccine won’t really benefit me. We also don’t know the long term effects of having the vaccine. I don’t want it to potentially cause fertility issues or health conditions. I don’t like how we can’t sue against these vaccine companies. Doesn’t seem like they have a lot of confidence in the vaccines they’re pushing.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/health/covid-vaccine-death.amp.html

This happened after the swine flu vaccine. The maker of this has created a c19 vaccine.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2017/feb/09/ministers-lose-fight-to-stop-payouts-in-swine-flu-jab-narcolepsy-cases

Pfizer have had made scandals.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/11/pfizer-nigeria-meningitis-drug-compensation

Bet you wouldn't apply that argument to something like saysexuality, race, gender?

They're irrelevant and nothing like the same.
Those things you can't choose.
They're not you're decision.

You can only,compare with something which is a genuine choice,

@CuteBear @Warpdrive no you’re the ones who are misinformed!

Most vaccines stop transmission from almost completely to cutting by half across the spectrum of the different types of vaccines out there are the minute for various different diseases. I think there’s a couple that don’t (Hep B is one of them) l. So it wouldn’t be unheard of, but it is not the norm.

Warpdrive I’m suprised you don’t know this as you’re so well informed???

With the COVID vaccine they don’t know YET. YET, that is the operative word. It’s not that they don’t know that people who’ve had the vaccine can still get it and transmit it, they don’t as there’s not the evidence YET. But the sensible thing until they do is to is to tell people to behave like they can still catch and transmit it until we know as the programme rolls out across the world. Again I find it very bizarre that you’re so well informed Warped that you’ve not managed to reach this conclusion too.

There are mass studies both here and in Israel looking at transmission post vaccination currently. Most scientist are quietly confident from what I’ve read that the vaccination WILL stop transmission there’s just not the evidence YET. But there will be in the coming couple of months.

I am not British and had to have a TB test to enter the UK, and carry a certificate. A person on my flight forgot the certificate and was not allowed to board.. This has been happening to people with less powerful passports for years, and we have sucked it up without yelling communism.
Now it's everyone's turn. Forgive me if my heart does not bleed.

FFS @CuteBear stop posting this clap trap about fertility.....mind if it stops idiots like you breeding it could only be a good thing eh!

Eh? Are you suggesting that somebody's gender or race is a choice, or that it has any impact on the people around them?

Quote fail!! That was in response to @sinful8

@peaceiseverything
You're complaining about other people's arguments but you have no valid arguments yourself, just sarcasm and at attempt at being scathing.

Bore off. Don't have the vaccine, I couldn't give a fuck. Just don't leave your house forever. Can't be that hard, surely. You're clearly more intelligent and eloquent than the rest of us so you wouldn't enjoy socialising anyway. Buh-bye xoxo

Exactly @Frequentflier I find it so bizarre that these people who are so well read and informed don’t already know this. And when they’re confronted with that information they completely ignore people and carry on with the same clap trap arguments. They really are very, very stupid.

Peace is everything

What are you medical and scientific qualifications which can let us know why you don't believe that those experts who have developed produced these vaccines are wrong? Or show us that you should be trusted more than those people of,expertise who are assuring us that the vaccinations are safe to have?

Because right now I'd rather take the word of scientists and medics who have spent years working in this field than some unqualified random person off the internet, usually hiding behind a fake name.

I admit my opinion is coloured as the only people I know,of personally with such views are more than happy to have spent years taking random drugs from a dodgy bloke down the street but are scared to take a fully researched and tested vaccination developed by experts. 🤷‍♀️

The Oxford trials didn't include anyone over 55 initially, and people over 65 are less likely to be exposed to covid through work, so it's hard to get a lot of data on how effective it is in that age group.

I know of two people (both in their mid to late 60s) who have been part of the Oxford trials for several months now, certainly since the summer. As yet they don't know if they had the vaccine or the placebo, as they can't be told until a certain time. Apparently knowing you've had the vaccine may make people change the way they behave which impacts on the research.,

I spoke to a friend who is heavily involved with the regulation of medication about the safety of the vaccine.

She's planning to have it as soon as she can, and if it's good enough for her, it's good enough for me. I'll take her knowledge and experience over that of people that don't understand what blackmail actually is.

There was no smallpox in Disneyland. It was measles. There are no smallpox outside of few labs.
Thanks to vaccinations.